Daytona 6263 Feedback

[swish77]

OK, I've re-entered the crazy world of the 6263. I had a black-dial version several years ago that I sold to help buy a house. Yes, they're that expensive!

Looking at this 6-mil. silver dial version now and have done hours/days of homework. Looks like an MK3 insert and MK2 pushers, both of which are correct for the serial number range, from what I've read. Missing a little tritium at the 3 and 9 hour markers, which seems very common, but the rest of the dots look good.

Welcoming any and all opinions in the hope that I haven't missed anything.

Thanks!

[roh123]

Difficult to say anything about the case from that alone pic but it looks like a nice Daytona. I am not convinced the bezel is correct but I might be wrong. Looks like a service part to me. I only had one 6m and that was 6.0 and it had an earlier bezel. For me this is not a mk3.

Personally I'd also expect to pay less due to the damaged lume.

All and all a nice example.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by roh123

Difficult to say anything about the case from that alone pic but it looks like a nice Daytona. I am not convinced the bezel is correct but I might be wrong. Looks like a service part to me. I only had one 6m and that was 6.0 and it had an earlier bezel. For me this is not a mk3.

Personally I'd also expect to pay less due to the damaged lume.

All and all a nice example.

Many thanks for that. I struggle a little with these bezels, but based on Stefano Mazzariol's great site, I think the bezel on the watch is an MK3 because of the spacing of the dots next to the numbers. The dots are closer to the numbers on the service insert, but maybe I'm missing something.

Here are photos of the MK3 on the left and the service/MK4 on the right, courtesy of Stefano Mazzariol. (Look at the difference of the dot at the "80," for example. It matches the 6263 I posted. The service insert doesn't. Also, the font is a little fatter on the service insert.)

[roh123]

Compare 200

[thomaspp]

I believe that pictures by the OP is a MKIV service insert. The tell tale sign is the "2" in "200" like @roh123 says.

[swish77]

You know, I think I mixed up the MK styles from the individual photos. Confirmed as a service insert on the 6263! But still a very nice watch!

[roh123]

You mix them up. :)

My old big red with mk3 bezel.

[springer]

The eights are different too! Good luck.

[swish77]

Thanks for the replies all! What a minefield out there on the 6263s (and all vintage Rolexes, really.) But the stakes are so high on these Big Reds. Great that I know it's a service insert now. I can use that as bargaining chip!

[roh123]

These parts are super expensive nowdays if you plan to source them lose.

Best of luck!

[swish77]

Yes, everything is just insanely expensive now, although I think I could live with an MK4 bezel on a Big Red. Unlike original fat font inserts on Subs, the differences on the Daytona bezels just don't seem as big a deal, not visually anyway.

Here's my old 6263 set that I sold a couple of years ago. I regret some of my Rolex sales, but not this one, really, because I needed the money at the time. If I had sold it just because I got bored, I'd be kicking myself now!

[GB-man]

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[scooba]

Does this help

[scooba]

What Andrew said http://www.sheartime.com/product/198...ona-ref-6263-3

[swish77]

Yup. I got my old 6263 from Andrew too. The availability of these Big Reds has really dried up, though.

[Mersey]

Hi guys, good thread and can someone please explain to me or provide a link on what a MK3 is? I'm about to trade for a 1970 6263 in mint condition. Serial number is 2 million. It was serviced by RSC in Toronto in 2015 with service records. The owner is the original owner but doesn't have B&P. There is an extra link.
Here's a picture of it.
Thanks in advance.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Mersey

Hi guys, good thread and can someone please explain to me or provide a link on what a MK3 is? I'm about to trade for a 1970 6263 in mint condition. Serial number is 2 million. It was serviced by RSC in Toronto in 2015 with service records. The owner is the original owner but doesn't have B&P. There is an extra link.
Here's a picture of it.
Thanks in advance.

It's a somewhat interesting watch. Unfortunately it has a later service dial, later bezel and a later bracelet but it is still very valuable with early serial and super rare prototype pushers. It could be a very fun project to hunt for a correct dial to make this a 60k+ watch.

Correct dial would be a exotic PN dial or early T SWISS T marked ROC dials with no Daytona text. Correct bezel is a mk1. It's a difficult but not impossible hunt.

[Mersey]

Originally Posted by roh123

It's a somewhat interesting watch. Unfortunately it has a later service dial, later bezel and a later bracelet but it is still very valuable with early serial and super rare prototype pushers. It could be a very fun project to hunt for a correct dial to make this a 60k+ watch.

Correct dial would be a exotic PN dial or early T SWISS T marked ROC dials with no Daytona text. Correct bezel is a mk1. It's a difficult but not impossible hunt.

Thanks for your input. Shows how little I know.

Question;

Later service dial and later bezel and later bracelet- Does that mean they have all been changed from original? My impression from the owner(he got it as a gift new from his wife), that it was all original. I'll ask him about it.

Also, what the heck is mk1 or mk3?



Thanks. Appreciate it.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Mersey

Thanks for your input. Shows how little I know.

Question;

Later service dial and later bezel and later bracelet- Does that mean they have all been changed from original? My impression from the owner(he got it as a gift new from his wife), that it was all original. I'll ask him about it.

Also, what the heck is mk1 or mk3?



Thanks. Appreciate it.

Different versions of the bezel. Mk1 is before mk2 etc.

If it came from RSC they probably changed it. Perhaps the pwner didnt even noticw but that dial is a fairly new service part. What is odd is that it still have the proto pushers which are worth around 10k alone in todays market.

[Mersey]

Originally Posted by roh123

Different versions of the bezel. Mk1 is before mk2 etc.

If it came from RSC they probably changed it. Perhaps the pwner didnt even noticw but that dial is a fairly new service part. What is odd is that it still have the proto pushers which are worth around 10k alone in todays market.

Thanks for the education. Appreciate it.

Will let you guys know if I manage to buy it.

Cheers.

[r4gs]

OP - the chronograph seconds hand is also incorrect (appears too short, and incorrect arrowhead style for oyster daytonas).

[swish77]

Originally Posted by r4gs

OP - the chronograph seconds hand is also incorrect (appears too short, and incorrect arrowhead style for oyster daytonas).

Yes, I know. This is an old thread.

[nuno116600]

How much do good 6263 big red go for these days?
There is one MK-3 in Japan for 62K.


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[sensui]

Originally Posted by nuno116600

How much do good 6263 big red go for these days?
There is one MK-3 in Japan for 62K.


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Pretty much answered your own question.....a nice one with original parts from what I see these days are 50-60k range. Tough pill to swallow but it is what it is.....still a grail for me.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by sensui

Pretty much answered your own question.....a nice one with original parts from what I see these days are 50-60k range. Tough pill to swallow but it is what it is.....still a grail for me.

Yup, prices are going up, up, up, especially for full sets, which seem to be pushing $65K-$70K now, depending on condition. Very tough to find good ones nowadays.

[Jetkopite]

So happy I bought mine nearly 2 years ago now... full set... People said I was mad to spend just under 50K glad I did now..

Oops pics didnt upload :-((((

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by swish77

Yup, prices are going up, up, up, especially for full sets, which seem to be pushing $65K-$70K now, depending on condition. Very tough to find good ones nowadays.

Did you pull the trigger?
It looks fantastic!

[nuno116600]

The hands are not original and the pushers have probably been changed. insert seems to be MK3, Band seems to be original.
Question, anything else I should be know and would new hands be a deal killer for the price of 62K.

[swish77]

What's the beginning of the serial number of this 6263?

Looks to be in nice shape. The replacement parts and how it would affect value is a matter of opinion/preference. It's a lot of money, but there are no cheap 6263s.

The mismatched tritium patina on the hands to the dial would be bug me, but it wouldn't be that apparent to the naked eye, unlike other vintage references, like Subs and GMTs that have a lot more tritium on the dial/hands. You could always track down another set of hands, perhaps with patina that would be a closer match to the dial, and another set of pushers, if these ones are not period correct.

[nuno116600]

This dial seems to be too silver-ry, compaird to the photos posted.
Can any one tell me if the dial and hands are original? insert seems to be MK3?