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Sav10001 · 13 February 2015, 07:47 AM

this seems a great looking 5513, and a good price considering the papers, but definitely suffering from depleted lug syndrome - a deal breaker ?

http://www.watchclub.com/w7783/rolex...e-complete-set

MP5 · 13 February 2015, 07:54 AM

Beautiful watch. The lugs are thick but might have been re faceted

jdmi32 · 13 February 2015, 08:16 AM

Lugs look fine to me but it's the price that makes me say "whoa!". I do feel for you guys over in England. Insert is a replacement but otherwise looks like a very nice watch.

HERITAGE82 · 13 February 2015, 08:24 AM

Lugs are definitely too thin... Look at the springbar sticking out of the 1o'clock lug.

landroverking · 13 February 2015, 08:43 AM

I don't think so

springer · 13 February 2015, 08:55 AM

I don't see any issues with the width of the lugs. The chamfers were cut fairly full which makes the lugs appear thinner than they are. What I did notice is the chamfers might have been cut too close to the spring bar holes but it is hard to tell for sure based on the photos.

aaamax · 13 February 2015, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

Lugs are definitely too thin... Look at the springbar sticking out of the 1o'clock lug.

This is what I'm seeing. Plus in one pic there is a flat spot on the top of the bottom right lug that looks like someone fell asleep at the wheel.

southtexas · 13 February 2015, 10:16 AM

Wrong springbars can do that.

Vincent65 · 13 February 2015, 06:20 PM

Case too polished for my taste. Soft crown-guards, too. And at close to $11K USD price is nuts.

bieb1 · 13 February 2015, 07:29 PM

Perhaps also for my personal education, does that dial really look original 70-ies? I find it very light and the photos appear to show also that the hands have an even lighter colour. So I would hazard a guess that this is a service dial & hands?

bayerische · 13 February 2015, 08:00 PM

It's difficult to find a watch not polished, especially with the older "vintage" ones. Problem is, most seem to enjoy their watch looking "brand new". I enjoy mine looking "used".

However, I wouldn't say the watch in question has lugs too thin. But, another 10 years or so, and a few more polishes it's a ruined case.

jvmartin · 13 February 2015, 08:15 PM

A truly skilled polisher knows better than to wear a case down... the problem is that many (jewelry) polishers try and pass as watch polishers and attempt to get dings and nicks out of cases and bracelets simply by grinding down the entire area... this is how you get lugs that are thin and disproportionate, crowns that are missing, and bracelets that are light and worn down.

I also see this with a lot of fluted bezels on vintage watches. In an effort to get nicks and dings out of the bezel many polishers where down the ridges on a fluted bezel to the point where they are nubs!

I am always excited when I see a vintage watch with plenty of meat left on the case!!

Frogman4me · 13 February 2015, 11:38 PM

The seller needs to polish down the price a little.

lhanddds · 14 February 2015, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Frogman4me

The seller needs to polish down the price a little.

bayerische · 14 February 2015, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Frogman4me

The seller needs to polish down the price a little.

Agreed!

Dr.Smellody · 14 February 2015, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by southtexas

Wrong springbars can do that.

100% agree! My jeweler schooled me on all the spring bar options. Steps and no steps. I've seen what otherwise perfect lugs with pins sticking straight out. Although not correct, there are plenty of watches out there sporting wrong spring bars.

Robbyvm · 14 February 2015, 01:33 AM

if you like the clean polished look this watch is fine, not overpolished in my opinion
the price is what disturbs me more...

Sav10001 · 14 February 2015, 06:56 AM

thanks for all the responses, regarding the price, I don't recall seeing subs like this one with papers much, or any, cheaper, but i've only been looking for a month or two. Where can i source something similar at a much better price - and i'm a frequent visitor to most of the usual dealers' websites.

Robbyvm · 14 February 2015, 07:06 AM

Outside of the UK is a good start i guess... :-)

Sav10001 · 14 February 2015, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbyvm

Outside of the UK is a good start i guess... :-)

please direct me to anyone selling a similar watch with paperwork for a lower price - like i said ealier, I keep an eye on all the dealers' websites - ie US / Europe, etc. You can do that with the internet you know!

mluther · 16 February 2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

Case too polished for my taste. Soft crown-guards, too. And at close to $11K USD price is nuts.

x2

1976 · 17 February 2015, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

Lugs are definitely too thin... Look at the springbar sticking out of the 1o'clock lug.

X2. And it is definitely not a "complete set"

13 February 2015, 07:47 AM	#1
Sav10001 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: UK Posts: 79	lugs too thin? this seems a great looking 5513, and a good price considering the papers, but definitely suffering from depleted lug syndrome - a deal breaker ? http://www.watchclub.com/w7783/rolex...e-complete-set

13 February 2015, 08:24 AM	#4
HERITAGE82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,419	Lugs are definitely too thin... Look at the springbar sticking out of the 1o'clock lug. __________________ - Rolex Explorer - 214270 - Tudor Black Bay - 79230B - Tudor Chronograph - 79270P - Breitling Chronomat - 10th Anniv. - Huguenin Freres Speedmaster Prototype

13 February 2015, 08:55 AM	#6
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,197	I don't see any issues with the width of the lugs. The chamfers were cut fairly full which makes the lugs appear thinner than they are. What I did notice is the chamfers might have been cut too close to the spring bar holes but it is hard to tell for sure based on the photos. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

13 February 2015, 10:16 AM	#8
southtexas 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,684	Wrong springbars can do that. __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

13 February 2015, 08:00 PM	#11
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	It's difficult to find a watch not polished, especially with the older "vintage" ones. Problem is, most seem to enjoy their watch looking "brand new". I enjoy mine looking "used". However, I wouldn't say the watch in question has lugs too thin. But, another 10 years or so, and a few more polishes it's a ruined case. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

13 February 2015, 07:54 AM	#2
MP5 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ATX Posts: 2,881	Beautiful watch. The lugs are thick but might have been re faceted

13 February 2015, 08:16 AM	#3
jdmi32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Ky Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: 16570 Posts: 2,362	Lugs look fine to me but it's the price that makes me say "whoa!". I do feel for you guys over in England. Insert is a replacement but otherwise looks like a very nice watch.

13 February 2015, 08:43 AM	#5
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	I don't think so

13 February 2015, 06:20 PM	#9
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,293	Case too polished for my taste. Soft crown-guards, too. And at close to $11K USD price is nuts.

13 February 2015, 07:29 PM	#10
bieb1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Real Name: Hans Location: switzerland Watch: Vintage Posts: 95	Perhaps also for my personal education, does that dial really look original 70-ies? I find it very light and the photos appear to show also that the hands have an even lighter colour. So I would hazard a guess that this is a service dial & hands?

13 February 2015, 08:15 PM	#12
jvmartin "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,349	A truly skilled polisher knows better than to wear a case down... the problem is that many (jewelry) polishers try and pass as watch polishers and attempt to get dings and nicks out of cases and bracelets simply by grinding down the entire area... this is how you get lugs that are thin and disproportionate, crowns that are missing, and bracelets that are light and worn down. I also see this with a lot of fluted bezels on vintage watches. In an effort to get nicks and dings out of the bezel many polishers where down the ridges on a fluted bezel to the point where they are nubs! I am always excited when I see a vintage watch with plenty of meat left on the case!!

13 February 2015, 11:38 PM	#13
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	The seller needs to polish down the price a little.

14 February 2015, 01:33 AM	#17
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	if you like the clean polished look this watch is fine, not overpolished in my opinion the price is what disturbs me more...

14 February 2015, 06:56 AM	#18
Sav10001 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: UK Posts: 79	thanks for all the responses, regarding the price, I don't recall seeing subs like this one with papers much, or any, cheaper, but i've only been looking for a month or two. Where can i source something similar at a much better price - and i'm a frequent visitor to most of the usual dealers' websites.

14 February 2015, 07:06 AM	#19
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	Outside of the UK is a good start i guess... :-)

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