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13 March 2017, 05:47 AM | #1 |
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Wish for Nautilus
I know Patek isn't in new materials and all that, but I would love if one day they made a full ceramic Nautilus, or full cermet, or with cermet bezel, AP has been doing it and results are great, to the point that I might take the plunge on their new ceramic PC one day, the only thing stopping me is the 85k needed to get it, if it would be at 60k I would have my name on the waiting list, also hoping that they make a ceramic Jumbo as I don't really care for the complication. So since they are very similar watches, I think what looks spectacular on one would look as spectacular on the other, if anybody has direct access to Thierry...
Here are pics, if anybody here is any good with photoshop I would love to see a ceramic Nautilus, if not you can like me imagine, unfortunately as much as AP doing it doesn't surprise me, PP doing it would surprise me, but I guess so was PP doing a watch in SS in the 70's, so anything is possible, for me the AP ce PC is clearly Haute Horlogerie and apart a few old school Patek purists, no one would be shocked if they made one... IMG_0370.jpg IMG_0373.jpg IMG_0371.JPG IMG_0374.jpg |
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It's a cool looking watch but my feelings might be the complete opposite of you - I'd love to see a perpetual calendar nautilus, but would rather see it in steel, not ceramic. But, maybe if I saw it in person I'd change my mind
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13 March 2017, 06:09 AM | #3 |
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You'll be able to get that watch at 60 in 6 months.
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My dear friend sorry but ceramics are for bathrooms
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Looks kind of cool, but I think it will look dated very quickly. Forged carbon didn't seem to last very long.
However I applaud AP for daring to be different. |
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I love AP and where they are headed but this was not my cup of tea, with that said Patek should focus on QC for the moment.
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Doesn't seem to be PP's cup of tea.
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We can all agree that ceramic is a good material for a cup of tea though.
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Doesn't seem very Patek to me and that's fine. I would prefer a ceramic aquanaut personally. That's a watch I would love.
I am actually hoping for some updates to the 5167 for the 20th. Not holding my breath but this year being the 20th for the aquanaut and 50th for the seadweller has me as excited as ever for Basel. Two of my favorites from each manufacturer!
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Lapince, the most outside of the box thinking PP does is switch dials and maybe from Gold to Plat.
But that is the brand and it works for them (and that is NOT a bad thing). Kinda plain IMHO, but the brand isn't about forward thinking change, so they are consistent. NOW, if they came out with a plat 5990--that would be sweet. Creative--no. Would I like--yes. |
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AP do an amazing job of constantly innovating and creating really interesting watches with the latest materials, the problem with constant change and evolution though is that it can cause models to become 'fashionable' and consequently outdated very quickly. That is something I'm very aware of with AP, the new model you just got will soon be 'last years' model.
With PP that strict lack of major change means that there is much more long term value in the watches' designs as they don't get outdated nearly as easily or quickly. I love what AP do, but I don't feel it would be right for the PP brand to be doing that. Very much a case of classic vs modern. You could have the same discussion ref art, architecture, fashion, etc! |
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Hi all, I'm a newbie in this forum and just wanted to know your opinion :) if AP made very limited numbers of each "creative, interesting" watch, and let's say stopped production after a year or so of that specific model would it become "last year's model' or could it possibly become a "collector's item"?
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Innovation takes many forms. One brand invented the perpetual calendar, the other makes watches out of random materials. I like gold and platinum. We've sought after and fought over those metals for millennia. Ceramic, carbon fiber, ntpt - I appreciate the novelty and skill and ingenuity, but it doesn't look better or feel better and it's not as timeless.
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I like looking to the future and not the past.
And for me NTPT feels MUCH better on the wrist. But I prefer light watches. Patek does a great job on the 'classic' materials for sure. Lapince, it would be nice to see something different at some point. Just not counting on it. |
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I like the AP perpetual ceramic and can't wait to see it later this month. However, don't see it for PP.
However, in the pics of the AP when the moon disappears the watch looks a little flat. |
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PP is evolution versus revolution. Can you imagine e the outcry about PP DNA if they did something different! Most owners are nostalgic looking back and not forward. It makes them a ton of money now but a foundation for the future???
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it is very nice with AP brand. Patek name wouldn't match with it. I'd love to see a perpetual nautilus or a full rose gold bracelet with blue dial in nautilus...
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I agree that a gold with blue dial would be nice, if ever one day I go full gold I would get the AP Jumbo instead of the 5711, because of the blue dial, brown is very nice but prefer blue |
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Hahaha good one. So true tho. SS over Ceramic any day.
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I may be in the wrong and someone please correct me if Im wrong. But is ceramic really that "expensive" to make? I assume not all ceramic is the same or what not. The watch brands makes us believe ceramic is so expensive but I have my doubts.
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If you like black pateks, there is always this option:
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Oh no, as much as I like ceramic watches, I really don't like those, that is not an option |
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No it's just expensive to machine. Not the raw materials cost but the tooling, manufacturing etc.
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The cost will stem from rejects that are undersized, since the material shrinks – but proper R&D will minimise that, so the tidying up and brushing (for those not left glossy and reflective as they are when leaving the mould). Even then, brushing is not exactly that hard, since there are numerous grades of gritted paper/tools which are harder than ceramic. On the hardness scale, ceramic is high 7s to low 8s – that leaves industrial diamonds or tungsten carbide, as sapphire is too costly to use for such purposes. FWIW, Rado introduced a new ceramic compound at Baselworld last year, based on silicon – it’s almost half the weight of ZrO2 and circa 50% harder again. They finally released the first watches using it in December – a 300 piece Ltd Edition pair under the Hyperchrome range, called the Ultra Lights. |
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