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3 January 2018, 09:00 PM | #31 | |
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I waited and waited for my 5164A, a ridiculously long time. After that, the 5712 and 5524 came immediately after requesting one. |
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3 January 2018, 09:02 PM | #32 |
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yes that is true. they want some getting-to-know-the-customer. still, i sustain the greys get their stock from the ADs, not really from private flippers.
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3 January 2018, 09:15 PM | #33 |
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I agree with that. Some AD's care and some don't care where the watches end up. My AD actually makes a point to try their best to sell to people who will wear the watches and keep them. I always try to wear the watches i buy from them into the store post purchase and find excuses to go in (bracelet adjustments etc) to reinforce that i keep my watches. It helps for sure.
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3 January 2018, 09:32 PM | #34 | |
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I cannot go into the specifics for the concern of disclosing those customers involved, but there are customers who had been "preferentially" given more than one piece of items in large demand (e.g. 5131) in the past, and who was "caught" later for selling them by Patek, yet the only persons "punished" was the customers, who are not allowed to get any more limited edition items, yet Eldor*** continues their various of the above acts, which only makes PP look bad and customers frustrated. If Mr. Stern is reading this, I think he needs to be equally vigilant with its retailers' practices even though some of these like Eldor*** are one of its largest retailers world wide |
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3 January 2018, 10:54 PM | #35 | |
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Very true.
It's not only this AD that does this.. Just a few months ago, I was visiting a grey dealer in TST and he had a 5711 blue with papers dated the same day! Quote:
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4 January 2018, 01:00 AM | #36 |
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UK Rolex had the problem of ADs selling straight to greys but went hard after ADs and that practice has now largely stopped, but now private buyers are doing the same thing so ADs have had to make it tougher and so we have the many new rules. I suspect PP will and are doing the same.
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4 January 2018, 03:36 AM | #39 |
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I am not kidding, In mid of 2016, I bought my 5712/A from local HK dealer by walk-in. And there was a 5711 white dial also available but I did not pick. The only difference between walk in customer and waiting list customer was the price, waiting list customer can having a 10 % discount off the list price, the waiting period for a 5712/A was around 6-9 months and 18 months for 5711 blue dial.
Everything changed since the end of 2016, all local PP dealers refused to sell the hot models directly to walk in customer , they requested a name card and send the PP HK. The PP HK office choose the rightly buyer to sell (the dealer act only the middle man and no right to choose the buyer by themself), in order to avoid THAT customer to re-sell into the grey market, if they find out the watch ships into grey market, it is the problem of HK PP by choosing the wrongly buyer, not the dealer fault. |
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I wonder with PP HK now selecting buyers how it'll work with being on multiple waitlists. |
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4 January 2018, 01:54 PM | #41 |
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soon you need to sit for an interview to buy a Patek
AD: Tell me why we should sell you a 5711? AD: Tell me how you see yourself in 5 years time wearing a 5711? AD: Tell me why you flip your Rolex and want to buy 5711? |
4 January 2018, 04:38 PM | #42 |
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Lol......short of drawing blood...can totally see this happening. The Nautilus game makes the whole Daytona thing look tame.
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17 September 2018, 02:43 PM | #43 |
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18 September 2018, 04:06 AM | #44 |
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18 September 2018, 05:36 AM | #45 |
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Patek can solve this problem by releasing 20 5711, 20 5712, 20 5990, and etc per AD per year. This would kill the gray dealers and the secondary price. Then the grey dealers will be less willing to stock up in the future for all watches.
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18 September 2018, 06:21 AM | #46 |
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18 September 2018, 07:22 AM | #47 |
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Sad... things have come to this
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18 September 2018, 11:51 PM | #48 |
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Two points irritate me quite considerably.
1) on resizing the bracelet, I like to do this myself at home. I find the experience entertaining. I did not just fork out a lot on a lovely tool kit for me not to be able to do this. How does this even stop flippers? They'll just add on the links themselves or send it to a watchmaker. 2) how does enforcing the policy of "only the individual who registered interest may collect the watch" stop flippers? Do greys even allow their customers to pick up watches they've sold from any AD or salon? Does not make sense to me. It's just so easy to get around why bother? Genuinely, if you have a driver or perhaps work a quite hectic job and want to send a co-worker in your place you can't anymore? Lol... it's more the point that this does nothing to stop greys than my concern with the plight of the 1% not being able to send their drivers to pick up the watch, nevertheless the point stands. |
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19 September 2018, 03:03 AM | #51 |
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I don't think all Patek ADs are following the locals only rule. My AD in Scotland and London Salon continue to offer watches to me.
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19 September 2018, 05:37 AM | #52 |
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My AD does not subject me to such arbitrary rules either... thank God. I was speaking from OPs point of view.
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19 September 2018, 06:19 AM | #53 |
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I was mainly referring to Rolex on the locals only rule back then, harder for Patek to implement as the number of buyers is far more limited in certain areas, so having a good track record is more important. Locals only is probably being used for new buyers tho.
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19 September 2018, 07:27 AM | #54 |
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Certain ADs use the local only policy for new buyers asking for Nautilus or Aquanauts. However I'm sure they would happily sell a 5327 or a 5496 for a non local first time buyer
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plenty of rich locals everywhere!
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