Who would have thought the 5167 is now or starting to be double the retail price....

[WatchLurv]

Originally Posted by brockburst

Agree, they aren't trading at $40k, just like 5712's aren't trading at $110k. Chrono24 is not real life.

If a 5980/1R trades for 210K on Chrono24, it goes for 195K on the real market. Rough adjustment, but that's as close to reality it is.

[Peterandwatches]

I have a white 15400 and 5167, and these were acquired a few years ago. I got them for a good chunk under retail, and the the RO was BNIB.

They obviously weren't the hot thing, as the Aquanaut was just a cheap Nautilus and the 15400 was a wall clock and the wrong color.

I'm just glad I got in early, because they would be out well out of reach today, and it seems like a terrible value proposition.

[GreenLantern]

Even though I have one, I hate that all these wonderful sport watches are turning into investment pieces with overly and artificially inflated values.

It really diminishes my enjoyment of using them like they're meant to be used.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

If a 5980/1R trades for 210K on Chrono24, it goes for 195K on the real market. Rough adjustment, but that's as close to reality it is.

Worst part is that's because everyone knows the untold truth that the 5980/1R is going to be discontinued early next year. A new beastly 1R will be released at Basel.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by JR16

Source for decr production of 5167?


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"apparently decreasing..."

Three reasons suggest: 1. 5212A is now in production but overall steel cannot be increased per Mr. Stern ergo other steel will be impacted. 2. Dealers could source in a few months now they cannot. 3. Secondary price is rising which seems to incentivize PP to decrease productions to enjoy the hype.

[bob101]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

"apparently decreasing..."

Three reasons suggest: 1. 5212A is now in production but overall steel cannot be increased per Mr. Stern ergo other steel will be impacted. 2. Dealers could source in a few months now they cannot. 3. Secondary price is rising which seems to incentivize PP to decrease productions to enjoy the hype.

Another possibility the rumours that 5167a will be discontinued soon possibly to be replaced with a larger 5168a or just the G and R versions.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

"apparently decreasing..."

Three reasons suggest: 1. 5212A is now in production but overall steel cannot be increased per Mr. Stern ergo other steel will be impacted. 2. Dealers could source in a few months now they cannot. 3. Secondary price is rising which seems to incentivize PP to decrease productions to enjoy the hype.

May be may be not...

1. Did Mr. Stern's statement on SS pieces include the new SS Calatrava or could its volume come on top of the SS sports watches?

2. The increased difficulty for ADs to source the 5167 may just as well point to the fact that currently every AD wants to get as many as possible. Different from a few years ago when the 5167 wasn't such a hot piece but primarily considered a poor man's 5711.

3. Given exploded 5167 demand Patek may just as well enjoy the hype while keeping production unchanged. I also thought Mr. Stern doesn't want to do anything to further that hype but what do I know...

All speculation of course...

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by bob101

Another possibility the rumours that 5167a will be discontinued soon possibly to be replaced with a larger 5168a or just the G and R versions.

Very good point, I agree with the 5168 models available, it would make good sense to supply these for purchase in lieu of the cheaper SS model.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

Very good point, I agree with the 5168 models available, it would make good sense to supply these for purchase in lieu of the cheaper SS model.

Man people must have big big wrists.

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Superburrito

With Nautilus prices where they are, I'm not surprised at all by 5167 pricing. Same movement as the 5711 at a fraction of the price. If you want a sporty current model Patek, this is the cheapest option. Watchbox just sold a used 5167 for $40k after being listed for one day.

I suspect the 5164 will be the next big mover.

I'm sure Watchbox sold it around $38K.......

Watchbox are playing by the rule..... They are charging sale tax.....

The person that bought the watch is pay $40K out of the door......

Originally Posted by brockburst

Agree, they aren't trading at $40k, just like 5712's aren't trading at $110k. Chrono24 is not real life.

Just like a two year ago people saying 5711 are not trading $40K.....

Again, one year ago people saying 5711 are not trading $50K

Again, six mouths ago people saying 5711 are not trading $60K

Now as today the asking price for 5711 is $70K....... Then of course the 5711 are not trading $70K.....

Maybe in real life I could get a 50% discount form the gray.....??

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

"apparently decreasing..."

Three reasons suggest: 1. 5212A is now in production but overall steel cannot be increased per Mr. Stern ergo other steel will be impacted. 2. Dealers could source in a few months now they cannot. 3. Secondary price is rising which seems to incentivize PP to decrease productions to enjoy the hype.

Don't forget about the new SS ladies 24 Automatic in production....^^^...

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

After being in Japan and seeing the sheer number of entry level steel rolexes I will agree with the Ninja here. Not a single Steel AP or Nautilus or modern Aquanaut sighted yet.

We all want what we can’t have

If you still in Japan how is the secondary market price on the Aquanaut and Nautilus....??

Please share with us if you have a chance to check it out....

Thanks buddy.....

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

I'm sure Watchbox sold it around $38K.......

Watchbox are playing by the rule..... They are charging sale tax.....

The person that bought the watch is pay $40K out of the door......





Just like a two year ago people saying 5711 are not trading $40K.....

Again, one year ago people saying 5711 are not trading $50K

Again, six mouths ago people saying 5711 are not trading $60K

Now as today the asking price for 5711 is $70K....... Then of course the 5711 are not trading $70K.....

Maybe in real life I could get a 50% discount form the gray.....??

Hilarious and true. If people don't want to believe something no amount of evidence will convince them.
I have one question: the posters who don't believe the high prices, are they owners of 5167s and 5711s, or wannabe owners?

[Aquaman]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

After being in Japan and seeing the sheer number of entry level steel rolexes I will agree with the Ninja here. Not a single Steel AP or Nautilus or modern Aquanaut sighted yet.

We all want what we can’t have

got to ask, did you do any sightseeing or work, or was you just looking at wrists?

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Aquaman

got to ask, did you do any sightseeing or work, or was you just looking at wrists?

If he went to Kabukicho or Amsterdam it would only be his own.

[Aquaman]

[QUOTE=AK797;9750057]If he went to Kabukicho or Amsterdam it would only be his own. [/QUOTE

If your in Amsterdam it shouldn't be your wrists doing the work

[GreenLantern]

I look forward to a day when sport watches are entry-points into watch collecting, just as they once where.

How do newbie up-and-coming professionals get into the game now?

[Keldw]

Originally Posted by brockburst

Agree, they aren't trading at $40k, just like 5712's aren't trading at $110k. Chrono24 is not real life.

I know a 2016 5167 just sold for $37K, so not really far from

[Fat_ninja]

...pasted in wrong place...fixed it

[kultschar]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

I’m going to call the 5990 ‘the fat kid’ from now on because it’s like having a fat kid cling to your wrist.

He is a bit chubby :)

You should eat more to get it to down to 5711 scale!!

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by kultschar

He is a bit chubby :)

You should eat more to get it to down to 5711 scale!!

I pasted in the wrong area lol

[SL BRABUS]

[QUOTE=Aquaman;9750067]

Originally Posted by AK797

If he went to Kabukicho or Amsterdam it would only be his own. [/QUOTE

If your in Amsterdam it shouldn't be your wrists doing the work

In Bangkok is hand free service too..... That way your watch don't get messy......

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

...pasted in wrong place...fixed it

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

I pasted in the wrong area lol

Just admit it you want a Aquanaut......

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I look forward to a day when sport watches are entry-points into watch collecting, just as they once where.

How do newbie up-and-coming professionals get into the game now?

Unfortunately the game has change.....

To get into the game you have to spend a lot at the AD.......

Buying a basic Calatrava don't cut it anymore......

Buying from the gray properly make sense now day with out having to wait and play game with the AD on fault promise when you be getting the watch...

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

Just admit it you want a Aquanaut......

aqua...NOT

[Aquaman]

[QUOTE=SL BRABUS;9752330]

Originally Posted by Aquaman

In Bangkok is hand free service too..... That way your watch don't get messy......

and you learn how to play ping pong without the bats

[glamorama]

This was the situation when I was looking at buying one..unfortunately didn't. December 2017.

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[tchaic]

Aquanaut is the best! Any variety without a 3 on the dial I’m in for life.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by tchaic

Aquanaut is the best! Any variety without a 3 on the dial I’m in for life.

That’s cause u have a T stamp.... you can’t sell it... of course you are in for life.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

Unfortunately the game has change.....

To get into the game you have to spend a lot at the AD.......

Buying a basic Calatrava don't cut it anymore......

Buying from the gray properly make sense now day with out having to wait and play game with the AD on fault promise when you be getting the watch...

Indeed.

Remember when collecting watches wasn't a silly game?