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Old 15 September 2020, 11:13 PM   #241
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LOL...and it’s not even a Patek
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Old 15 September 2020, 11:18 PM   #242
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LOL...and it’s not even a Patek
It's better.
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Old 15 September 2020, 11:30 PM   #243
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It's better.
Exactly.... much more room to increase! Up up up
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Old 16 September 2020, 12:55 AM   #244
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LOL...and it’s not even a Patek
Not in the same league, don't shoot at the same baskets...

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Old 29 September 2020, 06:17 AM   #245
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What would you guys pay for an early FPJ CB, say one of the first 15 pieces ever made?
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Old 29 September 2020, 09:31 AM   #246
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What would you guys pay for an early FPJ CB, say one of the first 15 pieces ever made?
Id pay double a standard CB except for number 13 which is well known to be cursed and will bring a pox upon your family if bought. That one I wouldn’t buy for any price
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Old 29 September 2020, 10:23 AM   #247
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Prices are going up , yet again....

$62.5k asked by European Watch Co.

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It might look downright cheap if the price goes higher. Compare the number of CBs available for sale vs. 5711s.
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Old 29 September 2020, 10:34 AM   #248
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It might look downright cheap if the price goes higher. Compare the number of CBs available for sale vs. 5711s.
Cheap and expensive are relative terms, of course. But things do have objective intrinsic value to a large extent. In this sense, a CB for 60k is indeed madness, as is a 5711.
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Old 29 September 2020, 10:49 AM   #249
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Cheap and expensive are relative terms, of course. But things do have objective intrinsic value to a large extent. In this sense, a CB for 60k is indeed madness, as is a 5711.
White dial Daytonas for $27K. RMs for 1,000,000.00. Millions of people still spend big money on comparatively less accurate mechanical watches rather than quartz or Apple watches. Madness is relative.
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Old 29 September 2020, 10:56 AM   #250
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With less than 2,000 or whatever made (not claiming to know, just assuming 200/year), it doesn’t take much demand to make the price go higher and higher. And with it effectively discontinued for all but the largest boutique clients the gray market is really the only game in town. Where the ceiling is I have no idea but with that few in existence it isn’t inconceivable that it goes even higher someday.

Price aside, it’s one of my favorite watches that I own. Such a unique material and the reflective blue dial is unlike much else.
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Old 29 September 2020, 11:26 AM   #251
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White dial Daytonas for $27K. RMs for 1,000,000.00. Millions of people still spend big money on comparatively less accurate mechanical watches rather than quartz or Apple watches. Madness is relative.
The Daytonas and RMs you mentioned are another 2 great examples of my point. All of the mentioned watches are great, but they are clearly priced in a way which historically does not equate to what they horologically deliver. I'm sure some people thought there was enough intrinsic value in a tulip to price it comparatively to a house, and to that extent, yes, anything can be relative, but that doesn't really do much for any reasonable argument.

By the way, I originally quoted your post not because I thought it factually wrong - it's not, in today's market what you said makes sense - but simply because it is exactly today's market which doesn't.
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Old 29 September 2020, 12:18 PM   #252
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A watch goes 2x-3x and everyone thinks it’s a stock and it could conceivably go to 4-5x lol

As long as the CS is available for 30s I’ll bet my lunch the CB isn’t headed much higher than it is now.

Maybe if François-Paul was making them each by hand but at the end of the day this is a fairly large production piece. This isn’t a simplicity.

Edit: for context I am a big fan of FPJ and think the CB is a great watch worthy of praise. Just sayin.
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Old 29 September 2020, 03:54 PM   #253
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Cheap and expensive are relative terms, of course. But things do have objective intrinsic value to a large extent. In this sense, a CB for 60k is indeed madness, as is a 5711.
I own both.. to me, the 5711 is more ridiculously hyped than the CB.
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Old 29 September 2020, 04:05 PM   #254
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A watch goes 2x-3x and everyone thinks it’s a stock and it could conceivably go to 4-5x lol

As long as the CS is available for 30s I’ll bet my lunch the CB isn’t headed much higher than it is now.

Maybe if François-Paul was making them each by hand but at the end of the day this is a fairly large production piece. This isn’t a simplicity.

Edit: for context I am a big fan of FPJ and think the CB is a great watch worthy of praise. Just sayin.
I bought both my PP5711 and with 15% discount from MSRP (boutique) .. I use them as my daily kitchen beaters n honestly I thought they were entry level pp and the workmanship is so-so and lousy clasp ... it is a fly under the radar kinda watch for me.

Fast forward to today.. i see madness n I cannot understand why there are such a high demand for them!

On the other hand I own two CBs.. one I bought back in 2010 with discount and another in early 2019 at retail.. I always felt it is a work of art. I love tantalum. I own tantalum APs too.

IMHO the CB should be priced substantially more than the 5711.
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Old 29 September 2020, 08:41 PM   #255
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Id pay double a standard CB except for number 13 which is well known to be cursed and will bring a pox upon your family if bought. That one I wouldn’t buy for any price

Haha well you don’t have to worry, I own no. 13 and I am not selling it any time soon


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Old 29 September 2020, 08:48 PM   #256
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Haha well you don’t have to worry, I own no. 13 and I am not selling it any time soon


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congrats! May it bring you good luck always
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Old 29 September 2020, 09:19 PM   #257
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In Asia .. you will find developers skipped the 14th floor.. you will see .. 3, 3A, 5.. .. 13, 13A, 15 etc

13 is a lucky number which will demand for a premium.
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Old 29 September 2020, 10:33 PM   #258
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I bought both my PP5711 and with 15% discount from MSRP (boutique) .. I use them as my daily kitchen beaters n honestly I thought they were entry level pp and the workmanship is so-so and lousy clasp ... it is a fly under the radar kinda watch for me.

Fast forward to today.. i see madness n I cannot understand why there are such a high demand for them!

On the other hand I own two CBs.. one I bought back in 2010 with discount and another in early 2019 at retail.. I always felt it is a work of art. I love tantalum. I own tantalum APs too.

IMHO the CB should be priced substantially more than the 5711.

Wow which tantalum APs???? I love AP’s tantalum finishing, especially the RG and Tantalum perpetua


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Old 29 September 2020, 10:46 PM   #259
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Wow which tantalum APs???? I love AP’s tantalum finishing, especially the RG and Tantalum perpetua


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I own 14790 TA/18KPG, 25730 TA/SS dual time and 15709 diver (QE2)

The 14790 is my favourite.

That perpetual calendar tantalum/18KPG is something I have been searching for.. I have yet to find a fine collectable example. They are pretty rare and those I found for sale are not complete ie some without papers and most do not have a complete bracelet and most are in terrible condition.

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Old 30 September 2020, 01:31 AM   #260
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I own 14790 TA/18KPG, 25730 TA/SS dual time and 15709 diver (QE2)

The 14790 is my favourite.

That perpetual calendar tantalum/18KPG is something I have been searching for.. I have yet to find a fine collectable example. They are pretty rare and those I found for sale are not complete ie some without papers and most do not have a complete bracelet and most are in terrible condition.


The dual time in tantalum is really great.. do you have pictures? I’d love to see rhen


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Old 30 September 2020, 03:10 AM   #261
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IMHO the CB should be priced substantially more than the 5711.

I won’t argue with you there at all. I think they are both worth around 20-25k but FPJ says it himself it’s important for him to provide value to the customer. Patek doesn’t give a damn about that particularly on entry level pieces.

If you want a nautilus you’re kind of stuck with a 5711 or something more expensive.

If you want a CB the CS is a wonderful alternative with similar design cues for half the secondary price. I feel similarly about the 15202 being capped because AP offers the 37 and 41mm alternatives.
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Old 30 September 2020, 03:25 AM   #262
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Haha well you don’t have to worry, I own no. 13 and I am not selling it any time soon


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That’s awesome! 13 is considered lucky in China, so no worries.
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Old 30 September 2020, 06:24 AM   #263
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LOL...and it’s not even a Patek
You're right about that. The two brands are leagues apart.

Patek:
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Journe:
https://youtu.be/R-n7UQq7o8U

The difference is staggering.
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Old 30 September 2020, 02:01 PM   #264
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You're right about that. The two brands are leagues apart.

Patek:
https://youtu.be/p9tr_9dXwU0

Journe:
https://youtu.be/R-n7UQq7o8U

The difference is staggering.
These were great to watch. Thank you for sharing.
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Old 30 September 2020, 04:35 PM   #265
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I bought both my PP5711 and with 15% discount from MSRP (boutique) .. I use them as my daily kitchen beaters n honestly I thought they were entry level pp and the workmanship is so-so and lousy clasp ... it is a fly under the radar kinda watch for me.

Fast forward to today.. i see madness n I cannot understand why there are such a high demand for them!
Same here. I bought my Nautilus even earlier than you, back in 1998, when Patek revived the Nautilus series with 3710. It was my first Patek and the AD recommended it a good entry level watch for a young person. I was able to buy it for under 8000 USD back then.

Unfortunately I never liked it and sold it a few years later. I too do not understand the craze over them, but I do wish I had kept it had I known the prices would go this high, oops.
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Old 1 October 2020, 03:25 PM   #266
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I remember when no one wanted the Nautilus.
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Old 1 October 2020, 10:21 PM   #267
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You're right about that. The two brands are leagues apart.

Patek:
https://youtu.be/p9tr_9dXwU0

Journe:
https://youtu.be/R-n7UQq7o8U

The difference is staggering.
The gong on FPJ sounds like someone striking an IKEA glass with a spoon...ouch! Gong on all PP’s is like surround sound...music to my ears :)
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True, patek costs 4 times more, consider that as well.
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LOL...and it’s not even a Patek
After owning about 6 or 7 Pateks, FPJ not being a PP is a huge plus.

HUUUUUUUUGE PLUS!
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True, patek costs 4 times more, consider that as well.
Indeed, they are in a different league.
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