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HL65 · 26 June 2014, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Wow, you sure don't mess around, many congrats Ken, another stunner!

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Originally Posted by mps354

Congrats! Great watch

Thanks guys!

Jabberjaw · 26 June 2014, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Time Exposure

+1
Wishing I had a GMT function for a recent trip to Italy, but would have been worried wearing it in Naples. The price difference is not worth the convenience. Just memorize the formula for calculating the home time and all is good.

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SunnyIslesRolexFan · 27 June 2014, 12:44 PM

5167

mdtddd2007 · 28 June 2014, 02:47 AM

No question? 5164a

Jabberjaw · 28 June 2014, 04:56 AM

I admire those that can wear a steel bracelet in hot weather and not be bothered by it. I am at Disney World where the heat index is 103 degrees now and wearing my 5167 on tropical standing in line for the Rockin Roller coaster. The watch is very comfortable and the strap even more so - very breathable strap despite being black. This is by far the most comfortable watch combo I've ever owned and would never part with it. After considering another PP that is twice the amount and comes on an alligator strap, I am now looking at the 5167r instead due to the strap comfort. Cheers.

HauteHorlogerie · 28 June 2014, 06:26 AM

sorry for the bad quality pics but I thought I'd share my fun. The 5164 is my favorite Patek for everyday wear!!

RussW · 28 June 2014, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HauteHorlogerie

sorry for the bad quality pics but I thought I'd share my fun. The 5164 is my favorite Patek for everyday wear!!

Very nice, congrats. But i'm a bit confused, i thought you had a 5164 already. In any case, it looks amazing.

HL65 · 28 June 2014, 09:22 PM

First outdoor shot of my brand new 5167R....Love it!

Kobayashi · 28 June 2014, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

First outdoor shot of my brand new 5167R....Love it!

I went to a Patek AD looking for the 5167 and when I saw the 5167R I was blown away. I can only afford one really nice watch: the 116719 or the 5167R. I would chose the 5167R. Absolutely stunning piece! Beautiful picture! Congrats!

HL65 · 29 June 2014, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kobayashi

I went to a Patek AD looking for the 5167 and when I saw the 5167R I was blown away. I can only afford one really nice watch: the 116719 or the 5167R. I would chose the 5167R. Absolutely stunning piece! Beautiful picture! Congrats!

Thanks Michael!

GB-man · 29 June 2014, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

First outdoor shot of my brand new 5167R....Love it!

There it is!

Congrats Ken! Looking forward to more great shots of that beauty

HL65 · 29 June 2014, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tjspark

There it is!

Congrats Ken! Looking forward to more great shots of that beauty

Thanks Tom!

Toony · 29 June 2014, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

First outdoor shot of my brand new 5167R....Love it!

Looks fantastic. Lots of luck with it.

HL65 · 29 June 2014, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toony

Looks fantastic. Lots of luck with it.

Thanks!

SearChart · 29 June 2014, 04:11 AM

I voted 5164 because: Complication > No Complication IMO.

brettpaul · 29 June 2014, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeOnHand

Both great watches, but since I only own the 5167 it gets my vote!

Great shots mate! By the way, your 5167A seems to have blue lume and my 2011 5167A has green....did PP change colors? I really favor the blue tint....arrrgghh!

kxux · 29 June 2014, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

First outdoor shot of my brand new 5167R....Love it!

That is fantastic piece Ken. Congratulations!

HL65 · 29 June 2014, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kxux

That is fantastic piece Ken. Congratulations!

Thanks Jan!

zama · 29 June 2014, 09:02 PM

Happy with my simple 5167.

HauteHorlogerie · 30 June 2014, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RussW

Very nice, congrats. But i'm a bit confused, i thought you had a 5164 already. In any case, it looks amazing.

old pictures!!

nickb732 · 3 July 2014, 03:47 AM

I prefer the 5164.

Chief Chininki · 3 July 2014, 08:08 AM

One thing that is missing from this discussion is the "implied" value of the GMT function. The base 5167A goes for $20,500 USD, while the 5164 goes for $36,500, leaving a delta of $16k = value of the complication. I'm not convinced that having a second hand to track a timezone is that complicated of a feature (i'm open to being "educated" if in fact this is difficult endeavour from a horological standpoint, e.g. having a chrono function). That said, i don't mind the face and buttons of the 5164, as it does have more wrist presence, however the value proposition appears off to me.

subtona · 3 July 2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Chininki

One thing that is missing from this discussion is the "implied" value of the GMT function. The base 5167A goes for $20,500 USD, while the 5164 goes for $36,500, leaving a delta of $16k = value of the complication. I'm not convinced that having a second hand to track a timezone is that complicated of a feature (i'm open to being "educated" if in fact this is difficult endeavour from a horological standpoint, e.g. having a chrono function). That said, i don't mind the face and buttons of the 5164, as it does have more wrist presence, however the value proposition appears off to me.

a G-shock does all those things and more… price difference and savings is not necessarily what motivates the purchase of a luxury watch.

value on the 2nd hand market would be more of a factor for me, regardless of the original price.

RussW · 3 July 2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Chininki

One thing that is missing from this discussion is the "implied" value of the GMT function. The base 5167A goes for $20,500 USD, while the 5164 goes for $36,500, leaving a delta of $16k = value of the complication. I'm not convinced that having a second hand to track a timezone is that complicated of a feature (i'm open to being "educated" if in fact this is difficult endeavour from a horological standpoint, e.g. having a chrono function). That said, i don't mind the face and buttons of the 5164, as it does have more wrist presence, however the value proposition appears off to me.

I don't disagree with you, but I don't think you can rationalise this hobby. The 5167r for example is £12k more than the 5167, which is much more than the cost of the gold.

Quotron · 4 July 2014, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RussW

The 5167r for example is £12k more than the 5167, which is much more than the cost of the gold.

That is not unique to Patek or the ref.5167, it appears to be the case for most high-end precious metals watches. Compute the price difference between the Audemars Piguet ref.15400OR and 15400ST. The difference* is over 25 troy ounces, or just over 2 troy pounds of gold!

*Globex settle of 1320.6

View Poll Results: 5164a or 5167a ?
5167a	120	48.98%
5164a	125	51.02%
Voters: 245. You may not vote on this poll

28 June 2014, 09:22 PM	#68
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,435	First outdoor shot of my brand new 5167R....Love it! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

3 July 2014, 03:47 AM	#81
nickb732 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Nicholas Location: UK Posts: 2,630	I prefer the 5164. __________________ Nick

28 June 2014, 02:47 AM	#64
mdtddd2007 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: U.S Watch: Rolex, PP, AP, GS Posts: 5,661	No question? 5164a

28 June 2014, 04:56 AM	#65
Jabberjaw Banned Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Bay Area Posts: 292	I admire those that can wear a steel bracelet in hot weather and not be bothered by it. I am at Disney World where the heat index is 103 degrees now and wearing my 5167 on tropical standing in line for the Rockin Roller coaster. The watch is very comfortable and the strap even more so - very breathable strap despite being black. This is by far the most comfortable watch combo I've ever owned and would never part with it. After considering another PP that is twice the amount and comes on an alligator strap, I am now looking at the 5167r instead due to the strap comfort. Cheers.

28 June 2014, 06:26 AM	#66
HauteHorlogerie Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: My house Watch: 519LN \| 64A Posts: 1,241	sorry for the bad quality pics but I thought I'd share my fun. The 5164 is my favorite Patek for everyday wear!!

3 July 2014, 08:08 AM	#82
Chief Chininki "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Canada Watch: Patek 5712/1a Posts: 109	One thing that is missing from this discussion is the "implied" value of the GMT function. The base 5167A goes for $20,500 USD, while the 5164 goes for $36,500, leaving a delta of $16k = value of the complication. I'm not convinced that having a second hand to track a timezone is that complicated of a feature (i'm open to being "educated" if in fact this is difficult endeavour from a horological standpoint, e.g. having a chrono function). That said, i don't mind the face and buttons of the 5164, as it does have more wrist presence, however the value proposition appears off to me.

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