Present and Future value of TT vs Stainless Steel Professional models !

[superstarmar]

Searched the threads for this topic and I couldn’t find one .
Speaking/referring to or about professional Rolex series/models!!!

As the current state of affairs has evolved
into a scarce supply of the most solicited professional models :
Do you think TT sports models will stay
on par with SS sports models as far as appreciation value ?
Looking as a reference to past history...

[lawfor]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Searched the threads for this topic and I couldn’t find one .
Speaking/referring to or about professional Rolex series/models!!!

As the current state of affairs has evolved
into a scarce supply of the most solicited professional models :
Do you think TT sports models will stay
on par with SS sports models as far as appreciation value ?
Looking as a reference to past history...

I think that in general TT models have never held their value as well as SS sports models. I don’t see any reason that would change.


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[DoctorA]

Interesting thread! Especially that some TT models now are selling less than its SS sisters! (With the TT discount and no discount on ss) Which makes the gold portion of the watch for free!!

[037]

Originally Posted by DoctorA

...Which makes the gold portion of the watch for free!!

Ha! That's actually not a bad way of looking at it!

[WEST HAM ROLEX]

Originally Posted by DoctorA

Interesting thread! Especially that some TT models now are selling less than its SS sisters! (With the TT discount and no discount on ss) Which makes the gold portion of the watch for free!!

Yes I have always preferred the GMT LN to the TT

And the price difference is getting closer
But if price was the same Would still buy the LN

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by lawfor

I think that in general TT models have never held their value as well as SS sports models. I don’t see any reason that would change.


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In the past this has been true.
What about now ? Supply and demand is not
business as usual in the world of Rolex...

[zjd168]

SS or PM is the way to go

[lawfor]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

In the past this has been true.

What about now ? Supply and demand is not

business as usual in the world of Rolex...

Well, given that SS steel sports models seem more scarce right now, wouldn’t that make them hold value all that much more?


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[Onikage]

Originally Posted by DoctorA

Interesting thread! Especially that some TT models now are selling less than its SS sisters! (With the TT discount and no discount on ss) Which makes the gold portion of the watch for free!!

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by lawfor

Well, given that SS steel sports models seem more scarce right now, wouldn’t that make them hold value all that much more?


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True but so are certain TT sports models .

[Bt122]

Slightly tangential.... have you guys looked up prices of precious metals? Platinum and gold? Vs history? Given trend toward EV’s? Conversely. Have you guys looked up the price of steel? With trade tariffs and such...

Oh also price of nickel for stainless Read on Russia sanctions...Given Russia sanctions


Then answer this question

[ap1]

I don’t see it, just not the same demand

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by ap1

I don’t see it, just not the same demand

Agreed for the most part .
But then TT subs and GMT’s are creeping up price
wise with less and less discounting .

[Xerxes77]

https://www.chrono24.com/magazine/tw...-p_18649/#gref

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/f...hes-trend.html

http://jackbaruth.com/?p=7210

https://www.chronext.co.uk/journal/b...ing-a-comeback

And if you search you will find more.
I think in the end it’s just a matter of taste and some models look better in SS, some models look better in TT or PM.
I like my Sky Dweller TT with black dial and also I like Sky Dweller in SS but the black dial.

[AK797]

TT CHNR looks a bit of a gamechanger as it will sell for over retail and may lead to a reappraisal of TTs by some.

[Fleetlord]

The bluesy submariner is pretty much it.

Even 2tone Daytonas are dogs. High "meh" factor in aftermarket.

[watchwatcher]

Steel will always be king, IMO. But, I do see certain TT models, like Neil and Fleetlord posted, the bluesy and the new GMT hitting some pretty solid numbers.

Not to long ago, you could get a brand spanking new bluesy for around 10k. Now that number is MUCH closer to MSRP. And only the good lord knows what the new GMT is going to go for...

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by watchwatcher

Steel will always be king, IMO. But, I do see certain TT models, like Neil and Fleetlord posted, the bluesy and the new GMT hitting some pretty solid numbers.

Not to long ago, you could get a brand spanking new bluesy for around 10k. Now that number is MUCH closer to MSRP. And only the good lord knows what the new GMT is going to go for...

Precisely why I started this thread .
I see the Bluesy hitting new highs and the upcoming CHNR will
more than likely be above msrp on the Gray Market...
The LN TT Sub is no slouch either and the LN TT GMT is
gaining momentum .

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by AK797

TT CHNR looks a bit of a gamechanger as it will sell for over retail and may lead to a reappraisal of TTs by some.

The market is being shaken up as we know it...

[AK797]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

The market is being shaken up as we know it...

Yes, in UK you could get the Bluesy for under 7K all day before Brexit but now 9K and you are doing well, so a lot has changed already, and the new CHNR will have a 30% plus premium here, unheard of on a TT.

[vipereaper30]

TT < SS < PM so TT will always have the largest depreciation compared to SS. Although the new CHNR might break the mold, one of the best TTs I've seen.

[thesharkfactor]

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

TT < SS < PM so TT will always have the largest depreciation compared to SS..

I would have thought PM has the greatest depreciation and TT the least -

a new 18k Sub £25k, used one is £16k
a new SS Sub £6.5k.. used is £5.5k
a new Bluesy is £9.9k.. used is over £9k

so.. I see it as TT > SS > PM

[Maiden]

I got my Bluesy new through a trusted seller with a 25 per cent discount in 2015. Now in the era of zero discounts the MSRP plus tax if you have to pay it makes it pricey. As it is probably the most popular TT prices are strong. The zero discount trend is floating all boats though.

[riverrat]

I just entered the Rolex world and before I ever knew what this site was, I decided I needed to get some SS models. Well, I got lucky and found 2 of them. Now I want that CHNR so bad I cant stand it. The only thing making me reconsider is the TT thought process here but ultimately, screw it. I want it and will wear it so if Ive recovered from the tax man when I get the call Ill go for it.

[peterpl]

PM always has the most depreciation but thats for ppl who can afford PM. That reduces the market ALOT

Now, SS prices are doing well and the trend is to sell over MSRP (for certain sport models). If this continues to rise and the price bracket edges closer to PM there is no sense in buying SS at all.

TT I can see the 116613LB and the 116713LN keeping up values (basically sport model TTs). DJ TT will always drop even SS DJ will drop - there is just so many of them around.

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

I would have thought PM has the greatest depreciation and TT the least -

a new 18k Sub £25k, used one is £16k
a new SS Sub £6.5k.. used is £5.5k
a new Bluesy is £9.9k.. used is over £9k

so.. I see it as TT > SS > PM

I would tend to agree with this .
Though in the past SS and Certain TT Pro. Models
Depreciated about the same with SS having a slight
edge on resale in the secondary market ...
Current market evaluation has completely gone nuts
because of supply shortages...

[TempoKing]

A few days ago I looked at a Z serial two tone Daytona
and a steel Daytona.....116523 and 116520

The two tone was offered to me at.. $9.000 and turned it down
I wanted to pay $8500
Steel Daytona was offered to me for $14,000 and turned it down as well
I wanted to pay $11.500

Go figure the trend with these numbers

[drmizzou]

Originally Posted by TempoKing

A few days ago I looked at a Z serial two tone Daytona
and a steel Daytona.....116523 and 116520

The two tone was offered to me at.. $9.000 and turned it down
I wanted to pay $8500
Steel Daytona was offered to me for $14,000 and turned it down as well
I wanted to pay $11.500

Go figure the trend with these numbers

Wow! Quite a difference! That’s just sad!

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by TempoKing

A few days ago I looked at a Z serial two tone Daytona
and a steel Daytona.....116523 and 116520

The two tone was offered to me at.. $9.000 and turned it down
I wanted to pay $8500
Steel Daytona was offered to me for $14,000 and turned it down as well
I wanted to pay $11.500

Go figure the trend with these numbers

Agreed , but the TT Sub and TT GMT have usually
trended higher than the TT Daytona... ?
Not including the SS Daytona of course.
SS Daytona has always been in another league
if it’s own .

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

The bluesy submariner is pretty much it.

Even 2tone Daytonas are dogs. High "meh" factor in aftermarket.

I would hold this to be true .
For as long as I know the TT Daytona has
been the least desirable TT sports model thus
reflecting the heavily depreciated resale value .