The next Rolex Variant collectors will be fighting over...

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Watch This

No oddity.
No real "errors".
No scarcity.
No high demand.

= Nonsense. As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

you just described the discontinued sea dweller.

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Buy this to add to my "collection", because music industry dudes and their friends buy it, not because I like it. Got it.

Oversimplified thinking.

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by codecow

Not going to happen, too plain.

Tell that to every valuable Rolex. And... It’s already happening.

[ccaballero]

Originally Posted by Polarbears

That train has already left the station.

Agreed. Prices have been steadily going up even on fair condition examples.

[MoosicPa]

Originally Posted by Watch This

Rough shift today at Burger King?

Troll.....

[atm08]

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[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by ccaballero

Agreed. Prices have been steadily going up even on fair condition examples.

100% I know because I just got mine and paid $1000 more than I was seeing them sell for just a few months back.

[wisguy]

And to think I’ve owned and sold the original 39mm Explorer... twice!!

Time will tell...

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by wisguy

And to think I’ve owned and sold the original 39mm Explorer... twice!!

Time will tell...

I have both 39mm versions and... I must say I am really happy with my newest pickup. I can see the potential. There is a little more shine to the black on the dial on the MK1, The white gold 3,6,9 look classic and the hands... are not obnoxiously short. I could collect just Explorers. Great watches.


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[hbombkid]

I personally don’t think this will be a collector item.

I think the reason on a price increase is just because almost all SS models are going up because a shortage of inventory. This is impacting older models that are not true collector items.

[TimeToWatch]

Hope and pray all you want, OP. It's not happening.

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by TimeToWatch

Hope and pray all you want, OP. It's not happening.

It’s already started and has zero effect on me as I now own one. This is a heads up for those that don’t. That’s it.

[upsidedownbelt]

Only time will tell. What I don’t get are the people that say “who cares about the short hands.” “Short hands are an error, oversight, whatever”. Seen many threads with people saying those things. Aren’t all those things what make something collectible? Flat 4’s, spider dials, red subs, etc. It’s the mistakes and quirks that make them desirable. Error? Probably, stupid?, maybe, collectible? You would have to say there is a better chance than not.

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by upsidedownbelt

Only time will tell. What I don’t get are the people that say “who cares about the short hands.” “Short hands are an error, oversight, whatever”. Seen many threads with people saying those things. Aren’t all those things what make something collectible? Flat 4’s, spider dials, red subs, etc. It’s the mistakes and quirks that make them desirable. Error? Probably, stupid?, maybe, collectible? You would have to say there is a better chance than not.

This fine forum friend gets it!

[JacksonStone]

Originally Posted by upsidedownbelt

What I don’t get are the people that say “who cares about the short hands.” “Short hands are an error, oversight, whatever”. Seen many threads with people saying those things.

Were those comments written from the perspective of a collector, or an enthusiast? I see those as two different things. Collectors are looking for attributes that make a watch less common and more collectible. Enthusiasts just look for what they like. Those two things are often at odds with each other, since many times the things that make a watch collectible are the things that caused many enthusiasts not to want it in the first place.

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by JacksonStone

Were those comments written from the perspective of a collector, or an enthusiast? I see those as two different things. Collectors are looking for attributes that make a watch less common and more collectible. Enthusiasts just look for what they like. Those two things are often at odds with each other, since many times the things that make a watch collectible are the things that caused many enthusiasts not to want it in the first place.

Enthusiasts are collectors too some realize it and some don’t.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by ccaballero

Agreed. Prices have been steadily going up even on fair condition examples.

Similar to every other SS sport model?

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Polarbears

Enthusiasts are collectors too some realize it and some don’t.

I’m not a collector.

I’m a foolish flipper.

[dafuture]

I love my short hand Mk1. Wish I had bought it as a full set, but I'll never sell it anyhow. it would be pretty cool if became a cult collector's icon.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by hbombkid

I personally don’t think this will be a collector item.

I think the reason on a price increase is just because almost all SS models are going up because a shortage of inventory. This is impacting older models that are not true collector items.

let me get this straight... artificial scarcity is increasing prices of certain references which everyone seems to agree are going to be collectors items and that somehow makes their status as collectible legitimate? But, because of this artificial scarcity, it is also pushing up the prices of other models too which are not collectors items?

That makes no sense unless your argument is none are collectors items because artificial scarcity is the root cause of everything.

[CRM114]

Originally Posted by JacksonStone

Were those comments written from the perspective of a collector, or an enthusiast? I see those as two different things. Collectors are looking for attributes that make a watch less common and more collectible. Enthusiasts just look for what they like. Those two things are often at odds with each other, since many times the things that make a watch collectible are the things that caused many enthusiasts not to want it in the first place.

Then there's watches that neither collectors or enthusiasts wanted at the time, the Daytona being the most obvious example. So unpopular, in the 70's they used to sit unsold in display cases for years. If you told both enthusiasts and collectors then just how desirable and how much those very same watches go for now they'd have just laughed.

[MinMay]

I asked my millionaire friends and All of them laughed at me lol


Buy what makes you happy.

[jps3b]

OP, I’m not being sarcastic. I kinda want one . Was thinking about grabbing one anyway, but if I can get the “T-Rex” I would rather have that one. I’m kinda on board with what you’re selling . The Explorer I is IMO the best Rolex for the money. Extremely versatile

[mmmmp]

Well, the Turn-O-Graph (one of my favorites) has been discontinued for several years now and no one had expressed much of an interest in that piece. Stainless steel, cool rotating bez, luminous dial. Etc. A neat, versatile and good looking piece IMO.

Not saying the TOG is better, but I woulda' thought with it's low popularity it might be collectable. It aint.

Unfortunately, I *WEAR* my watches, so even a Nos Comex Sub wouldn't stand s chance of staying mint in my household! (Slight exaggeration of course. )

Anyway, I don't and never will consider 'modern' Rolex watches collectable. Right or wrong, I just like wearing them.

No offense to anyone.
Mark

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[MoosicPa]

Originally Posted by mmmmp

Well, the Turn-O-Graph (one of my favorites) has been discontinued for several years now and no one had expressed much of an interest in that piece. Stainless steel, cool rotating bez, luminous dial. Etc. A neat, versatile and good looking piece IMO.

Not saying the TOG is better, but I woulda' thought with it's low popularity it might be collectable. It aint.

Unfortunately, I *WEAR* my watches, so even a Nos Comex Sub wouldn't stand s chance of staying mint in my household! (Slight exaggeration of course. )

Anyway, I don't and never will consider 'modern' Rolex watches collectable. Right or wrong, I just like wearing them.

No offense to anyone.
Mark

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Mark, I love the TOG also. I picked mine up new from AD with a nice discount. Was not a popular selling model for some reason. I like wearing them also.

[avega357]

Originally Posted by JacksonStone

The first rumblings of this were in 2010, immediately after the 39mm v.1 came out. People noted the short hands, said Rolex would correct them, which would make the short-hand version a limited release and therefore highly collectible. I think a lot of the people advancing this theory were joking, but they may have been more right than they knew. Obviously one part of the equation happened; it remains to be seen if the remainder holds true. Makes no difference to me either way, since I only buy what I like to wear. I never liked the v.1, so the collectors are welcome to as many as they can get their hands on.

Correction to your last sentence,

As many as they can get their SHORT hands on

[gtnator]

cool

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by mmmmp

Well, the Turn-O-Graph (one of my favorites) has been discontinued for several years now and no one had expressed much of an interest in that piece. Stainless steel, cool rotating bez, luminous dial. Etc. A neat, versatile and good looking piece IMO.

Not saying the TOG is better, but I woulda' thought with it's low popularity it might be collectable. It aint.

Unfortunately, I *WEAR* my watches, so even a Nos Comex Sub wouldn't stand s chance of staying mint in my household! (Slight exaggeration of course. )

Anyway, I don't and never will consider 'modern' Rolex watches collectable. Right or wrong, I just like wearing them.

No offense to anyone.
Mark

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I was thinking about the ToG, also a favorite of mine, throughout the first three pages of this thread, waiting for it to come up. Absolutely love the stainless version with white dial on Oyster. And, while I wouldn’t personally wear it, I’m also a fan of the TT blue dial on Jubilee.

Was reading its history on Bob’s Watches’ blog and it made me want one even more (and wishing I’d had this thought back when plenty of NOS existed in dealer cases).

[dannyp]

As long as we’re predicting the collectibility of watches we happen to own, I think that the 16570 with the 3186 meets all the same criteria the OP lays out: relatively unpopular, made for about 5 yrs.

In all likelihood the most collectible of these down the line will be those with the original jumping hour hand spring working and intact, since so many 3186s are being updated at service (like mine is currently).

[teo]

Milgauss black is the one. Milgauss black also known as Harry Potter.