Opinions on 1675

[SmallSeconds]

Hi there!

What are your opinions on this 1.9 mln 1675? Comes as a full set/ all papers.

Lume/ patina is perhaps not the greatest and case is a bit rough. Do the hands look original?

[Tom1675]

Prob too much of a premium on this one due to the papers when you're looking at a bit of a project due to replacement parts. Would like to see pics of the "full set"...

[SmallSeconds]

Same watch, different insert. Comes with a lot!

[springer]

Smallseconds, as far as your question regarding the hands being original, they appear to be genuine hands. There would be no way for anyone to know for sure if the hands are original based on a couple photos. If the watch is coming from the original owner, he might be able to better answer this for you.

[SmallSeconds]

Originally Posted by springer

Smallseconds, as far as your question regarding the hands being original, they appear to be genuine hands. There would be no way for anyone to know for sure if the hands are original based on a couple photos. If the watch is coming from the original owner, he might be able to better answer this for you.

Thank you for this!

[SmallSeconds]

Originally Posted by springer

Smallseconds, as far as your question regarding the hands being original, they appear to be genuine hands. There would be no way for anyone to know for sure if the hands are original based on a couple photos. If the watch is coming from the original owner, he might be able to better answer this for you.

Sorry double post

[SmallSeconds]

I was asking it because the minute hand appears to be just a tiny bit longer (almost touching the minute markers) than the ones I see on most (but not all) pictures of similar watches. Also, the watch comes with an extra set of hands but I don't know the story behind this/ nor the original owner

[springer]

Originally Posted by SmallSeconds

Thank you for this! I was asking it because the minute hand appears to be just a tiny bit longer (almost touching the minute markers) than the ones I see on most (but not all) pictures of similar watches.

I saw that but, from my experience, often, the angle from which the photo is taken can make a hand look longer or shorter.

Below are a couple of 1969 GMTs that I previously owned. (The second one has a much later insert not original to the watch.)

The last two photos are the same watch. Notice the length of the seconds hand in each photo. They look significantly different due
to the angle of the photos.

[SmallSeconds]

Springer, may I ask also your opinion on the insert in the first pics? It has a red back. Can you tell its appr. age? Thanks!

[springer]

deleted - double post.

[springer]

Originally Posted by SmallSeconds

Springer, may I ask also your opinion on the insert in the first pics? It has a red back. Can you tell its appr. age? Thanks!

Looks like a nice original one.

[Proto3]

Bracelet doesn’t look correct but everything else looks good to me.

[SmallSeconds]

The last two photos are the same watch. Notice the length of the seconds hand in each photo. They look significantly different due
to the angle of the photos.[/QUOTE]

That case! What a beauty!

[SmallSeconds]

Originally Posted by Proto3

Bracelet doesn’t look correct but everything else looks good to me.

Yes, thank you for noticing that! What is your opinion on the case?

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by SmallSeconds

Yes, thank you for noticing that! What is your opinion on the case?

As you probably know, the case and bezel have seen substantial polishing. The lugs still look pretty thick, however. Really, it's a matter of personal taste, vs price.

[TuRo]

Looks ok to me 78360 is later.
Papers( and some quality gubbins) are punched and and that adds about £5-8k here in uk so be about £17-20k here even with a slightly rounded edge case and a post 77 - 78360.

[SmallSeconds]

Thank you! Yes the watch has a punched booklet and a punched certification. Interestingly, the booklet still has all the pages that can be torn out, including the dealer one that should have been sent to Rolex as it says on the bottom page.

[XavierM]

Have you inspected the dial with a loupe ?
Tritium seems to be missing here and there

[SmallSeconds]

Thanks for noticing! Tritium is indeed missing on part of the 10 o clock dot. For the rest, there is only some recession on the edges. Overall though, lume is in rough shape which I personally do not really mind but I can see how that would be unappealing for many.

[SmallSeconds]

Originally Posted by Dan S

As you probably know, the case and bezel have seen substantial polishing. The lugs still look pretty thick, however. Really, it's a matter of personal taste, vs price.

Thank you! This was my general idea as well, rough but fairly thick lugs. Acceptable for me as the watch just looks heavily used overall.

[XavierM]

Originally Posted by SmallSeconds

Thank you! This was my general idea as well, rough but fairly thick lugs. Acceptable for me as the watch just looks heavily used overall.

Nothing missing on the top right corner of the 12 o clock index ?

[SmallSeconds]

Eagle eyes! Yes, not sure if it's really missing like at the 10 plot but definitely some lume 'thinning' there. Thanks!

[Arnozerosix]

Originally Posted by SmallSeconds

Eagle eyes! Yes, not sure if it's really missing like at the 10 plot but definitely some lume 'thinning' there. Thanks!

hummmm.... imho 9,10,11,12,1 and eventually 4 o'clock markers are suffering from the same "problem"....
Hands are matching, considering the dial has not been relumed, I would guess these hands are original...

[SmallSeconds]

Yes sorry if I was not clear but I agree that lume overall is in rough shape (crumbling) with the 10 o clock marker possibly in worst shape as it misses almost half the lume plot.

[TuRo]

Personally wouldn't put me off if priced accordingly - 50 yr old dial - just noticed, a later 40 degree stepped-edge service plexi btw too.

[SmallSeconds]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Personally wouldn't put me off if priced accordingly - 50 yr old dial - just noticed, a later 40 degree stepped-edge service plexi btw too.

I would agree and thank you for noticing the Plexi. The watch comes with a scratched up additional Plexi, that might be the original one but I am not sure.

[Arnozerosix]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Personally wouldn't put me off if priced accordingly - 50 yr old dial - just noticed, a later 40 degree stepped-edge service plexi btw too.

I also prefer a dial like this that a dial badly relume ....
Doesn't bother me as well as long as price take it under consideration of course ....

[XavierM]

I would always choose a watch only, perfect dial over a nice set (papers etc). But that’s just personal preference.
What’s the price ?

[Arnozerosix]

Originally Posted by XavierM

I would always choose a watch only, perfect dial over a nice set (papers etc). But that’s just personal preference.
What’s the price ?

Perfect (non restored dial) are more and more difficult to find nowadays....Always a question of compromise, and this set makes it a bit special somehow....

[SmallSeconds]

Thanks for sharing your opinions and expertise! Price has not yet been discussed. I most of all wanted to inform myself here on the condition/ originality of the watch(parts)! Personally, I am really charmed by the completeness of this set (it includes some extra paperwork not on the pics, an extra Plexiglas, insert etc.) but I completely understand how most here would prefer to see a better case and dial when deciding on a watch like this!