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Likewise, despite the fact I retired (very early) last year. I’d happily take my chances for the future of my kids etc. Of course, I’d be careful. I’d wear a mask. I may not visit so many restaurants. But, I would spend money in other shops. I’d help keeping the economy ticking on. This stasis will end up being very destructive. But, it will take a politician with guts to make the first move ..
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You also have to think in an economic collapse, healthcare will be affected as well. What if hospitals aren't paid by millions of the unemployed, uninsured patients? How will they pay their Dr's and Nurses? I truly appreciate what the healthcare workers are doing and I have empathy for them. This situation is damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'm just on one side of the fence.
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So for some of you guys that questioned why I don’t trust the mainstream media especially the New York Times or the Washington Post I give you this article below. I find it interesting nobody has posted it here yet. So you have these people at universities that come up with the modeling and then they give it to Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx. They then in turn report to the president and the vice president as well as his Coronavirus task force. They then make their decisions based upon that. Well as you are remember and you’re welcome to look back at the beginning of this thread they were predicting the possibility of 3.5 million dead Americans from this pandemic. Then they reduced it down several times to now we are at 100,000 to 240,000 as of this past Wednesday if I recall. Now the same people that create the models and report to our two good doctors have under the table sleazed their way to the Washington post to report that the White House not the doctors themselves are way off on the current predictions of 100,000 to 240,000 deaths. Note, and this is very typical of the Washington post, that the people telling the paper about this are unnamed sources. There’s a big surprise. I’m not a conspiracy theorist people but something doesn’t smell right here. The fact that the Washington post would slam the White House doesn’t surprise me but look at how they are delivering this information now. There is no way around this but something is wrong.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ex...te/ar-BB1263eT https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...aths-estimate/
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I still strongly feel that if we stop with half measures and shut down as a nation for 2 weeks, we can get this under control, catch our breath, and begin getting people back to work. But this means complete cessation of travel, limiting human interaction to a minimum, and the ability to roll out massive testing to catch any new outbreaks early and stamp them out. And we need to be reminded that the deaths will continue to rise during that time period, but will level and then decline. That said, this feels like the approach to US policy in the Middle East over the last decades. There are many bad options, none of which are satisfying, pick your poison. |
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This. Perhaps those choosing to return to normal activities despite the known risks should take an oath to not seek medical attention if they become ill. I’d certainly resent risking my life intubating someone who chose to go the church, then out to dinner in a crowded restaurant followed by an NBA game during a pandemic.
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If that is your motivation, and you are willing to sacrifice the old and/or already sick people (but not children), what would you say to those like myself who are in secure work and not financially impacted in any way but are older and asthmatic who might say that we are willing to sacrifice your finances in order to stay alive? |
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On a less serious note, here is a better and more thorough explaination of the toilet paper shortage. Makes me thankful for all the TP I have used at Starbucks over the years.
https://marker.medium.com/what-every...e-c812e1358fe0 Stay safe.
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I tell my parents to stay home as much as possible. They are in their late 60's and no longer work.
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In fact, it's pretty much only holding on by a thread even right now. My daughter is a PA employed by a large hospital in Southeast Michigan north of Detroit. They are throwing anybody and everybody at this problem and barely keeping their heads above water. People think Dr.s and PAs are trained to handle this stuff because they went to a medical school or have clinical training. It's simply not true. For example, my daughter is a surgical PA. That's what she knows. Assisting in surgery for the removal of a gall bladder is nothing like running a floor full of COVID patients. But that's where she has been moved now. Elective surgery is over for now. If you have a hernia, then live with it because you're not getting it fixed right now. But show up with COVID-19, and you may have a surgical PA and an orthopedic surgeon MD making decisions about your care because they are now in charge...there's nobody else to do it. If we choose to open it all up, we are choosing to throw even more gas on this fire that's burning in these hospitals. These people, like my kid, LITERALLY cannot take any more of this. She's given one N95 mask for the week. Yes...the week. (Thanks 3M for having your greedy distributors taking cash payments from other countries to prioritize where the are sending your product while our front line of defense has almost nothing to work with, but that's another story). My daughter is 29. She is asking me about what she needs to do to make out a will. Think really hard about that for a moment... I vote that we wait to "open it up" until these hospitals can get through this situation. To do anything other than that is foolish and is, frankly, not fair to these healthcare workers...many of whom are just kids and are swimming every day of their 12 hour shifts in the most uncharted and shark infested waters imaginable. |
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BUT what do you see the timeline to open doors and start the economy. I doubt anyone believes we wait until there is a vaccine. At some point we have to say, ok lets now take our chances and get things moving again. Perhaps slowly or perhaps wide open. Perhaps masks and social distancing of some sort at work. Limited congregations of people without masks etc. No sports, no restaurants. |
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And I have to ask, what about dice rollers's families? Will they expect doctors to treat their parents and children whom they infect? Stay safe.
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But how do you get past a peak, if most people have never been in contact with the virus.
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for a road map to whats happening... not conspiracy but eerily identical I'd say. 18 minute video worth watching in it as well . |
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I think you need to reread the articles. That was not my take away. Stay safe.
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I have read them several times as well as had people a lot smarter than me read them and that’s how we all took it.
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We are trying. Perhaps if we had tried harder earlier, we would be past the peak. But that is water under the bridge. And it appears to be working in some places in the US. Too early to tell, so I say appears. You flatten the curve by social distancing (which some states have not yet put in place and some are still ignoring but we are getting better at it). At the same time you increase testing capability, medical equipment and stores, and PPG. So we don't get caught with our pants down again. When the peak has passed, you test, test, test. And and trace, trace, trace. We we pay the long term price of no hand shaking, wearing masks in public (like other countries do) etc. until we have a vaccine. And this one is optional, but one of my favorites: don't let any cruise ships run unit they have posted a bond large enough to pay for all the cost they have forced tax payers to pay to rescue and quarantine and treat their passengers. Stay safe.
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You were willing to take an educated risk, but their outcome was imposed upon them by your actions. I am not suggesting it was deliberate but when outcomes are life and death does intent matter? For better or worse our pre-pandemic society placed personal gratification and entitlement ahead of everything. In our current pandemic world a persistent narrative of the "overwhelming hardships" suffered by those who feel least vulnerable to illness, and their willingness to ignore the most informed scientific and medical advice that will protect those most vulnerable, appears to suggest that the "me first" mind set hasn't changed. I recall a study I read back in college. People were surveyed as to whether they would press a theoretical button in which an unnamed and tbd acquaintance would die assuming they would receive a million dollars for doing so. Less than 1% said they would press the button. When "acquaintance" was substituted with "stranger in a far away place" almost 50% said they would press the button. The response by many to the pandemic suggests they view those most likely to die from this illness as faceless people in far away places, while for many of us they are friends and family members. Not suggesting you personally feel this way but extrapolating beyond your post.... |
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Sweden remains convinced it’s on the right track ...
https://apple.news/Ay5Gp8DDfSNSNkJhsySvMzw Time will tell, I guess ... I hope it proves successful and then we can all return to semi-normal sooner than projected. |
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I’m really saddened to see the states bidding against each other for PPE and life-saving equipment. That the country which spends more money on healthcare than any other country in the world can’t supply their front-line workers with PPE is inexcusable. |
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