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hbrolex · 3 January 2022, 12:51 AM

I wondered if I could get a collective opinion on the flaking on this submariner?

It's not something I've personally seen before, certainly not to this level, considering it's a relevantly recent Z serial watch. I'm not too sure what could have caused it to flake in the first place?

In terms of repair options, ideally wouldn't want to replace the dial, from research I believe you can stabilize the flaking or look at filling in the lume but it's 50/50 as to if it will make the situation better? Has anyone had similar work completed in the past?

1665fan · 3 January 2022, 01:00 AM

Wow that dial is a mess….. never seen that on any modern Rolex……

Looks like M serial also…. Where do you see a Z?????

Jack T · 3 January 2022, 01:01 AM

Flaking of the lume, at first I didn’t understand. I presume this condition has developed since you’ve owned the watch. Are you the original owner, purchased new from an AD? At first glance it looks misapplied, as it’s affecting all the hour markers.

Other than taking it back to your AD for an assessment I don’t have any advice.

illiguy · 3 January 2022, 01:01 AM

Is that whiteout?

Jackie Daytona · 3 January 2022, 01:03 AM

I’m not an expert, but I believe that may be a bit beyond stabilizing it with the paint flaking to the point it’s covering the metal portion of the indices. Any sort of stabilization even if attempted I feel would be time consuming to the point it would be easier just to replace it. If the dial has some sentimental value I’m sure you could find someone to help, but I really believe looking at it based on the progression of that deterioration it’s much easier and better to replace.

Wobbly · 3 January 2022, 01:05 AM

Looks like Tipp-ex

cascavel · 3 January 2022, 01:05 AM

Fake watch or fake dial and it's not a 16610

JMGoodnight369 · 3 January 2022, 01:06 AM

Wow the 5 o’clock is peeling like an apple. My first thought is water damage. As others asked if you’re not the original owner there’s no telling what happened before you got it. It looks like it was dunked crown open in a pot of boiling water. I think a dial swap is the only real option here.

GenevaFan · 3 January 2022, 01:08 AM

I'm no expert but have read in the past like patina the lume may have a tendency to crack/flake with age. She is not young and may be just showing her age. For me I would embrace the transformation and let the watch change naturally without the cosmetic interference. Movement service only. Beauty Sub!

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inadeje · 3 January 2022, 01:10 AM

Maybe it’s just the photos but that looks like a supercase with an aluminum bezel insert and an incorrect dial (beyond the hobby paint on the lume).

teager · 3 January 2022, 01:10 AM

I’d get the dial changed for a genuine one.

GolfJunkie · 3 January 2022, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cascavel

Fake watch or fake dial and it's not a 16610

What’s the reference on this?

rushca01 · 3 January 2022, 01:11 AM

Why are there watermarks on the photo from Chrono24?

Either watch is fake or it had serious water damage…

Tikandtokalot · 3 January 2022, 01:11 AM

That looks nasty I couldn't have that.

If your thinking of buying this DONT!

GenevaFan · 3 January 2022, 01:12 AM

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teager · 3 January 2022, 01:15 AM

Most of OP’s post are about ‘is this genuine or fake’ or stolen watches - this smells !

NachoNeal · 3 January 2022, 01:16 AM

Personally I'd replace the dial.

Tikandtokalot · 3 January 2022, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teager

Most of OP’s post are about ‘is this genuine or fake’ or stolen watches - this smells !

Yep!

SaintMickey · 3 January 2022, 01:19 AM

Why are you wasting our time with this? Crap like this should get points or banned.

Ronco · 3 January 2022, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inadeje

Maybe it’s just the photos but that looks like a supercase with an aluminum bezel insert and an incorrect dial (beyond the hobby paint on the lume).

I agree

Wobbly · 3 January 2022, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushca01

Why are there watermarks on the photo from Chrono24?

Either watch is fake or it had serious water damage…

It’s for sale in the UK by a private seller on Chrono24

Also , says it’s reserved.

SaintMickey · 3 January 2022, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dontknow

I’m not an expert, but I believe that may be a bit beyond stabilizing it with the paint flaking to the point it’s covering the metal portion of the indices. Any sort of stabilization even if attempted I feel would be time consuming to the point it would be easier just to replace it. If the dial has some sentimental value I’m sure you could find someone to help, but I really believe looking at it based on the progression of that deterioration it’s much easier and better to replace.

Yes I agree if your taking the OP serious you are no expert.

rmwill · 3 January 2022, 01:43 AM

Troll posts are the new normal at TRF in 2022

1665fan · 3 January 2022, 01:49 AM

Ban him!!!

mykii · 3 January 2022, 02:08 AM

If the watch isnt yours OP, then I'd bet this is an odd re-lume job.

Wobbly · 3 January 2022, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmwill

Troll posts are the new normal at TRF in 2022

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Ban him!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintMickey

Why are you wasting our time with this? Crap like this should get points or banned.

Hard crowd to please today.

As I said earlier in the thread, the watch is for sale on Chrono24

The OP is asking for advice on what to do with the flaky dial.

I don’t know if he’s bought it or not, but I would give the watch a wide berth.

Alex71168 · 3 January 2022, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wobbly

Hard crowd to please today.

As I said earlier in the thread, the watch is for sale on Chrono24

The OP is asking for advice on what to do with the flaky dial.

I don’t know if he’s bought it or not, but I would give the watch a wide berth.

I agree don’t touch it

dcash0615 · 3 January 2022, 03:20 AM

Watch has a few red flags. Case and SEL do not appear to be correct. Dial is suspect as lume plots would not peel like that. Does this M serial (not Z serial) come with papers? If you are considering buying, I would not.

Wobbly · 3 January 2022, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcash0615

Watch has a few red flags. Case and SEL do not appear to be correct. Dial is suspect as lume plots would not peel like that. Does this M serial (not Z serial) come with papers? If you are considering buying, I would not.

According to the advert, it comes with papers, but no box.

dcash0615 · 3 January 2022, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wobbly

According to the advert, it comes with papers, but no box.

I reviewed the chrono24 ad. No box probably explains the fake pillow the watch is wrapped around in all the photos.

Regardless.... the case and SEL’s are not correct. Watch should be avoided.

3 January 2022, 12:51 AM	#1
hbrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: London Posts: 15	16610LV - Flaking Indies I wondered if I could get a collective opinion on the flaking on this submariner? It's not something I've personally seen before, certainly not to this level, considering it's a relevantly recent Z serial watch. I'm not too sure what could have caused it to flake in the first place? In terms of repair options, ideally wouldn't want to replace the dial, from research I believe you can stabilize the flaking or look at filling in the lume but it's 50/50 as to if it will make the situation better? Has anyone had similar work completed in the past?

3 January 2022, 01:01 AM	#3
Jack T "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Jack Location: The Triangle Watch: Several Posts: 6,623	Flaking of the lume, at first I didn’t understand. I presume this condition has developed since you’ve owned the watch. Are you the original owner, purchased new from an AD? At first glance it looks misapplied, as it’s affecting all the hour markers. Other than taking it back to your AD for an assessment I don’t have any advice. __________________ Sub 116613 LN; GMT 116710 LN; Sinn 104R; Exp 214270; GS SBGM221; Omega AT

3 January 2022, 01:03 AM	#5
Jackie Daytona 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Real Name: Brian Location: Nashville Watch: 16750 Posts: 5,825	I’m not an expert, but I believe that may be a bit beyond stabilizing it with the paint flaking to the point it’s covering the metal portion of the indices. Any sort of stabilization even if attempted I feel would be time consuming to the point it would be easier just to replace it. If the dial has some sentimental value I’m sure you could find someone to help, but I really believe looking at it based on the progression of that deterioration it’s much easier and better to replace. __________________ 16750 \| 6516(wife’s) \| 126334 \| 116400GV \| SBGA413 \| SRPE33 \| 126610LV

3 January 2022, 01:08 AM	#9
GenevaFan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 215	I'm no expert but have read in the past like patina the lume may have a tendency to crack/flake with age. She is not young and may be just showing her age. For me I would embrace the transformation and let the watch change naturally without the cosmetic interference. Movement service only. Beauty Sub! Sent from my LM-Q710.FGN using Tapatalk Last edited by GenevaFan; 3 January 2022 at 01:17 AM.. Reason: Not relevant

3 January 2022, 01:10 AM	#10
inadeje 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Miami Watch: me lose count. Posts: 5,568	Maybe it’s just the photos but that looks like a supercase with an aluminum bezel insert and an incorrect dial (beyond the hobby paint on the lume). __________________ ♛ 116689 ♛ 116500LN Blk ♛ 116500LN Wht ♛ Sky Dweller 326934-003 ♛ 126710BLNR ♛ 126710BLRO - ♛ 126610LV ♛ 16520 ♛ 16523 ♛ 16610 ♛ 5513 Birth Year - ✠ Patek Philippe 5980/1A-001 - AP 26331ST Panda - Panerai Fiddy 127, Bronzo 671, 687, 111, Ω Speedmaster 1957 Broad Arrow, Daniel Roth Endurer Chronosprint, Cartier Santos XL - ✿ Tudor Black Bay 58 Bronze M79012M, Montblanc TimeWalker Chrono 41

3 January 2022, 01:00 AM	#2
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,591	Wow that dial is a mess….. never seen that on any modern Rolex…… Looks like M serial also…. Where do you see a Z?????

3 January 2022, 01:01 AM	#4
illiguy 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: UTC/GMT -5 Posts: 3,463	Is that whiteout?

3 January 2022, 01:05 AM	#6
Wobbly "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: 🇬🇧 Posts: 1,392	Looks like Tipp-ex

3 January 2022, 01:05 AM	#7
cascavel 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Santa Fe Posts: 1,857	Fake watch or fake dial and it's not a 16610

3 January 2022, 01:06 AM	#8
JMGoodnight369 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Georgia USA Posts: 350	Wow the 5 o’clock is peeling like an apple. My first thought is water damage. As others asked if you’re not the original owner there’s no telling what happened before you got it. It looks like it was dunked crown open in a pot of boiling water. I think a dial swap is the only real option here.

3 January 2022, 01:10 AM	#11
teager "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bristol, UK Watch: PAM233,IwcBP,D-blu Posts: 144	I’d get the dial changed for a genuine one.

3 January 2022, 01:11 AM	#13
rushca01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Indiana Watch: GMT BLRO Posts: 1,741	Why are there watermarks on the photo from Chrono24? Either watch is fake or it had serious water damage…

3 January 2022, 01:11 AM	#14
Tikandtokalot "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Scotland Watch: Tudor BB41 M79540 Posts: 648	That looks nasty I couldn't have that. If your thinking of buying this DONT! __________________ Tudor BB41 M79540

3 January 2022, 01:12 AM	#15
GenevaFan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 215	Sent from my LM-Q710.FGN using Tapatalk

3 January 2022, 01:15 AM	#16
teager "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bristol, UK Watch: PAM233,IwcBP,D-blu Posts: 144	Most of OP’s post are about ‘is this genuine or fake’ or stolen watches - this smells !

3 January 2022, 01:16 AM	#17
NachoNeal "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Real Name: Neal Location: Point Loma Watch: ing the river flow Posts: 2,824	Personally I'd replace the dial. __________________ . Sub No Date (14060); Hamilton field; Explorer (124270); Day Date (18238) stolen by wife; CasiOak.

3 January 2022, 01:19 AM	#19
SaintMickey Banned Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: USA Posts: 885	Why are you wasting our time with this? Crap like this should get points or banned.

3 January 2022, 01:43 AM	#23
rmwill 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Somewhere Cold Posts: 900	Troll posts are the new normal at TRF in 2022 __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 116710LN Rolex Sea-Dweller 16600 Rolex Explorer 224270 Rolex Explorer II 226570 Polar Omega Moonwatch Sapphire Sandwich Panerai PAM00111 2 Factor Authentication

3 January 2022, 01:49 AM	#24
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,591	Ban him!!!

3 January 2022, 02:08 AM	#25
mykii "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: East Watch: AP + PP + Rolex Posts: 1,775	If the watch isnt yours OP, then I'd bet this is an odd re-lume job. __________________

3 January 2022, 03:20 AM	#28
dcash0615 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: CA Watch: es Posts: 4,364	Watch has a few red flags. Case and SEL do not appear to be correct. Dial is suspect as lume plots would not peel like that. Does this M serial (not Z serial) come with papers? If you are considering buying, I would not. __________________ Instagram @dcash0615 2FA security active

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