Tired of the politically correct "investment police"

[Randy9999]

For the record, I've bought many incredible watches through the years, and I've never sold a single one. With that said, yes, I'm tired of people who demonize those who "ADMIT" (as if there's something nefarious to admit there) that they truly love — but still avidly track the market prices for — their Rolex watches. Such individuals pretend that one can't truly care about and appreciate intrinsic technical and aesthetic distinctions without completely ignoring free market economics. In their most malignant form, these politically correct Stasi resort to ridicule and outright abuse — and need to stop.

[Henrimontgomery]

You've been reported for thought crime.

[Sandpit]

Free market and free speech. It's ok to have opinions

[rambo99]

I get all my watches from AD, never have the intention to go grey and never sell anyone of them. because I just buy the watch I love to wear, those grey market prices are meaningless to me.

[jimcameron]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

these politically correct Stasi resort to ridicule and outright abuse — and need to stop.

........or what?

[Pw92676]

I also have not sold, nor intend to sell, any of my collections. I agree it is nice to know the current market value. But I don’t obsess over it or check it daily. Same applies to my house and other assets. Checking the market value on these every day seems a bit overkill.

[brandrea]

It’s different for everyone Randy. I just wish the forum wasn’t as dominated by the investment threads as it is now.

I joined here to learn about the brand, and share my enthusiasm for mechanical watches for the pure joy of owning and wearing them.

Sure it’s nice to know they hold their value, but that’s about where it ends for me. YMMV

[Speedbird-1]

Free speech/opinion, applies to both sides of the investment thread 'argument'.


PS. Free speech on this forum?
I refer you to 'the rules'.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Free speech/opinion, applies to both sides of the investment thread 'argument'.


PS. Free speech on this forum?
I refer you to 'the rules'.

And as you have said the rule is clear which takes out one of your free speech/opinion sides Steve.

[airchitect]

Truth is, right now for the moment, they are investments. Most likely short term. But they can make you money…….so they’re an investment. And frankly I don’t take much financial advise from invisible faces online. For all I know 90% on here are up to their eyeballs in bad debt.


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[DLRIDES]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

these politically correct Stasi resort to ridicule and outright abuse — and need to stop.

Thank you for presenting what is apparently a violation of the “Feelings Code of Ethics”. This has been reported to the “Karen Committee”, which monitors these appalling cases of personal attack. “Karen Committee” rulings and corrective actions are usually quite lengthy due to their need to consult with all mothers of the violated individuals.

[BroncoOne]

It’s very easy to just nag read a thread about a topic that annoys you so I also don’t understand why people try to silence others thoughts about any particular topic.

I really enjoy the watches that I own, regardless of what the fake listings on Chrono 24 are.

[THC]

Ibtl

[Randy9999]

Originally Posted by THC

Ibtl

Why? I'm actually advocating that people ALLOW open discussion rather than tamping it down. There was a post yesterday from a new member asking about values, and a couple of long-time members literally called the guy "stupid" (using that word). Am I out of line for saying that this level of criticism is out of hand? Should my call for civilized behavior be shut down?

[superdog]

Agree with you. Mostly.

There are those that’ll say, “but it’s an Internet forum, they can say whatever they want”.

Not withstanding the rules here, that’s true. You CAN say whatever you want. But should you? What kind of person does that make them? In my opinion, not the person I want to be.

Live and let live. You don’t like a topic, move on. Have a point to make, okay sure, make it. But the holier than thou is old, played and tacky.

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

For the record, I've bought many incredible watches through the years, and I've never sold a single one. With that said, yes, I'm tired of people who demonize those who "ADMIT" (as if there's something nefarious to admit there) that they truly love — but still avidly track the market prices for — their Rolex watches. Such individuals pretend that one can't truly care about and appreciate intrinsic technical and aesthetic distinctions without completely ignoring free market economics. In their most malignant form, these politically correct Stasi resort to ridicule and outright abuse — and need to stop.

I agree 100% with the sentiment...but am not bothered by the supercilious ramblings and pontificating any longer and don't really care if they continue or stop.

It's usually the same grumpy old men. If it's not investments, it's the feigned disgust with watch winders, caring about scratches, caring about a watch size or insisting that life is too short to wait more than a week for a watch.

Rant on purists...

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[enjoythemusic]

Eh, ignore them and keep procuring BTC.

HODL

Ooops, meant to say TRF could VERY EASILY have a sub-board for those topics / discussions. Not sure why, yet TRF doesn't.... Maybe TRF is stuck without a decent programmer or software? Has TRF maxxed out their capabilities and abilities?

Why mods / Steve? How about a few good reasons why there's no separate board for such discussions? Have offered $$$ to have it done, and... nothing, nada, zilch.

Back to you Steve.

[GB-man]

The topic of Rolex as an investment vehicle is too big to fail at this point. I don’t see it going away as Steve would have to disappoint a large swath of members who joined in the last few years. Assuming he prefers growth in the community here this popular topic is here to stay.

There are other forums where this sort of discussion is not allowed if you prefer.

A future value discussion sub forum would be great but I suspect the mods don’t feel like moving posts all day.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I agree 100% with the sentiment...but am not bothered by the supercilious ramblings and pontificating any longer and don't really care if they continue or stop.

It's usually the same grumpy old men. If it's not investments, it's the feigned disgust with watch winders, caring about scratches, caring about a watch size or insisting that life is too short to wait more than a week for a watch.

Rant on purists...

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I recall the vitriol when someone asked “if it was safe to…”

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by superdog

I recall the vitriol when someone asked “if it was safe to…”

Yes, and let's not forget the "superhero/soft drink nicknames" outrage.

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[superdog]

Originally Posted by zengineer

Yes, and let's not forget the "superhero/soft drink nicknames" outrage.

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oh yes. that's a good one.

people really get their panties in a twist over that one.

[1William]

I get it and just roll with it. If a post does not interest me, then I move on. If a post has something to say to me I very much enjoy the different view points as long as the opinions are respectful of other members. I think it is funny sometimes how members think that the market is going to change by complaining. If that was the case we would be in a different watch world. In the end, all is good and I enjoy being here.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

For the record, I've bought many incredible watches through the years, and I've never sold a single one. With that said, yes, I'm tired of people who demonize those who "ADMIT" (as if there's something nefarious to admit there) that they truly love — but still avidly track the market prices for — their Rolex watches. Such individuals pretend that one can't truly care about and appreciate intrinsic technical and aesthetic distinctions without completely ignoring free market economics. In their most malignant form, these politically correct Stasi resort to ridicule and outright abuse — and need to stop.

Certainly your opinion. Others can have theirs. TRF does a fine job of monitoring and to call someone else's opinion abuse and needs to stop, well that is not the way FREE SPEECH works especially when it is not abuse but instead the OPINION you do not side with.

I have a much better idea for you. This is a forum. You also have the FREEDOM to scroll right on by those threads that you get so "tired" of.

[JParm]

Originally Posted by brandrea

It’s different for everyone Randy. I just wish the forum wasn’t as dominated by the investment threads as it is now.

I joined here to learn about the brand, and share my enthusiasm for mechanical watches for the pure joy of owning and wearing them.

Sure it’s nice to know they hold their value, but that’s about where it ends for me. YMMV

Agree 100% here, Brian.

[MrGoat]

The issue with society today is, any view, action or opinion that doesn’t align with someone’s is met with vitriol and disgust. We are a group of collectors at the heart. There very well could be some that are simply out to make a buck, however I believe that’s a smaller percentage than we believe.

So collectors = passionate about the subject. This breeds even more contempt when one side thinks the other is “destroying their hobby”. Thus leading some to be abusive, much more so anonymously online than in person.

Everyone of us justifies our hobby and passion differently than the next. Some of us buy because of the movement or the brand, some of us need to see an investment value to “justify” spending the amounts we do on these watches, some of us need to keep the watch in the safe except for special occasions, some of need to enjoy it 24/7.

We are all different and come together here because of a love of timepieces. Respect others as you want them to respect you and let the mods sort out the bad apples.


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[Booth9999]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Eh, ignore them and keep procuring BTC.

HODL

Ooops, meant to say TRF could VERY EASILY have a sub-board for those topics / discussions. Not sure why, yet TRF doesn't.... Maybe TRF is stuck without a decent programmer or software? Has TRF maxxed out their capabilities and abilities?

Why mods / Steve? How about a few good reasons why there's no separate board for such discussions? Have offered $$$ to have it done, and... nothing, nada, zilch.

Back to you Steve.

Agreed. There should be a place to ask these questions.

[m j b]

Originally Posted by superdog

people really get their panties in a twist over that one.

Alright now, let's not get my panties dragged into this conversation.

I get what the OP is trying to say (some have misunderstood his intent) and I'm not going to share my opinion on this, except to suggest to you guys and gals:

THIS IS NOT A FREE SPEECH FORUM. This is a privately owned forum with rules.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by brandrea

It’s different for everyone Randy. I just wish the forum wasn’t as dominated by the investment threads as it is now.

I joined here to learn about the brand, and share my enthusiasm for mechanical watches for the pure joy of owning and wearing them.

Sure it’s nice to know they hold their value, but that’s about where it ends for me. YMMV

Originally Posted by jpeezy14@hotmail.com

Agree 100% here, Brian.

Bingo!
dP

[zengineer]

To pretend that the current price/available ility/hype situation is not a significant aspect of the Rolex fabric today is to live in a fantasy world.

Rolex buyers along with Rolex themselves ha e created the situation and have we all forgotten that a decade ago the talk was all about how to get the biggest discount and most free diet cokes.

One option is to read the thread titles and open accordingly.

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[Knappo 1307]

TPT Bruh, is fire.......