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Well we will see what I can get for the KV, not in any hurry to sell it, I am not selling it because I need money, so we will see, and of course I am not going to sell it if ever I see that I am loosing too much money on it, we will see Thanks buddy |
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It is a unique piece with officer's case back and hand engraved, so yes it is more than regular models, I think his lowest priced models are around 75k, they were at around 50k when he wasn't so famous but that was a certain time ago
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Interesting post. I’ve tried to make sure I see a watch 4-5 times now to know I love/want it. Too often it seems I come to covet watches I see often, Silence of the Lambs style.
It’s a funny habit, because new models only come out once a year, but most people seem to want year round, so you often find yourself chasing after a watch that didn’t strike you at first. On the other hand, I’ve found that the pieces I truly love, like the women that’ve meant anything in my life, I’ve known right away. It’s the pieces I’ve seen a bunch then bought that didn’t stay with me long. |
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Very often when I first see a watch that I like on the spot, after a few months I realize that I am no longer attracted to them, Panerai models for example I liked the first time I saw them, after a few years I bought 3, but after 1,5 years realized I had no interest with them at all, it did a little bit the same thing with Rolex as I did get bored at some point, but now I am starting to be attracted to them again, mostly because of the new SS Pepsi, but I just want the Pepsi and I am quite certain that I will not want to buy other Rolex models, I really like the grey dial Daytona in WG on Oysterflex, even thought of getting one 10 days ago, but it's the typical example of a watch that after 5 days has not enough appeal to me to want to buy it, the Pepsi will most definitely be my only Rolex, but at least with Rolex there is one I really want, sometimes I take a look at the Panerai sub forum and not once do I think that I like one and would like to have it... |
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Finally becoming reasonable?
Sounds good! Pepsi everyone and their mother wants one! Lol
5740 looks really good. I still wonder how this watch will wear in white gold and being nautilus: delicate as hell! Also the price seems outrageous for what you are getting in particular when you see 5712 with same 240q base. You can buy a 5970G for that price! Still want one anyhow lol Good luck with the sale of the KV! A friend of mine recently sold a unique piece he had made and ended up not being happy with KV in general. On the Patek end I just want to add 5131s and 5711s/12s at this point! Ha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I can help you! I'll help you release the burden of the 5711.
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Of course the WG of the 5740 means it won't be used as a daily, but I have a few other watches for that, including the 5711-12, so the 5740 won't be worn as much as my other watches, but it will be worn quite often nonetheless, platinum would have been better but the price would probably have been 30-40k more, I can justify the 5740 price, but a 5740P price would have been much harder to justify for me. Funny how I talk about justifying the price on a 100k watch when 5 years ago for me you needed to be insane or filthy rich to buy any watch costing more than 15k, for me 100k is the limit, hope it stays that way as if it doesn't and I really want a watch badly I would need to sell some real estate, of course there is an exception for an eventual 5712P, which is clearly my imaginary grail watch, if ever they made one I would really need to have one, and would pay whatever the retail would be, if retail would be in reasonable limits, wouldn't pay 150k or more for one... Well since he has the 5711P I would be ok to buy it from him for a little more than retail, but if we are talking anywhere close to grey prices no thanks, prices are insane and around 180k from what I saw... |
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Not trying to be sour but to let your Kari go at 100k price range you got really strong competitors out there.. there are lots of special n unique piece available n it’s the buyers’ market. Plus the unique engravement may not be everyone cup of tea.. seriously why don’t you keep it n make it a legacy n pass on to your children? I bet it would worth at least few times more in 20 30 years time.. for a legendary Kari unique piece. Don’t just look at the monetary value now. 100k is not a significant amount anyway n can easily earn back. But that watch is unique. Keep it in the family.
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I am constantly questioning myself whether my current collection is a phase or something more permanent. I don't have route map but I seldom buy anything on impulse too. The only constant is that I have always liked the 3700/5711 since my childhood and that is the only thing that stuck until now.
Maybe I will just keep adding Nautilus to be safe The 5740 is gorgeous and I also hope to own it one day |
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I have a WIS friend that has a similarly large collection like me ( maybe he got more ) and his solution is to rotate 3 watches a day, twice during working hours and one for the evening! Yet even more crazy, I know of someone who has 400+ watches in his collection and 99% of them are stashed in a bank vault or safe box and he barely wears any of them for more than once or twice a year and yet somehow it makes him very happy to own so many. Go figure.
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i think you should keep the KV, where it on a rubber or rubberized leather strap. I think you should let go of 2 of the 3 PPs....which ever you like most keep. for me it would be the 5712. You dont need the 5167R and the 5711...the all seem too similar. That would free up almost 80/100k right there. that you could have 1 PP, 1AP, 1KV....later on if the 5740 becomes available grab it and the pepsi. that way our collection is more diversified. Every year rolex and pp and ap will release new watches which will be the latest and greatest and the whole world will up for it....but sometimes you gotta ask yourself if its what you really want. instead of adding the 5740.....why not keep a 5 watch collection and add RM and pepsi. I'm saying this because i remember following all the updates of the KV journey and i think it its a truly timeless work of art. like an RW smith or George Daniels....and you might regret letting go of it.
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I agree with many here, you will never get a fair price on the KV. In the end you will either have to keep it or take a big loss. Coming from experience with indies. Brand matters more than craftsmanship.
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You know I love a few RM pieces, 035, 055 but I just can't justify the asking price, for me 80% of the price is great marketing and hype, whereas the 5740 I can justify the asking price, where RM half the price I would have the two models I said, I find them great, but not at those insane prices, but of course if one day I become much richer then I will get one, but with my actual capital putting 100k + in a RM is insane, for me they are not worth that money, I know nothing luxury is worth the price when you think about it but some are ok and some are insanely overpriced... Quote:
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I tend to agree with you. I was up to 9, sold off 2 and now have 7, I still think its 1-2 too many and likely will sell again sometime soon. I found that I wasn't wearing some and those that I am not wearing from now on, I am selling. I think somewhere in the 4-6 neighborhood of watches you absolutely love is the correct number for a collection. As said above, the more you know, the less you need. I have learned that in a more complicated method but at least made a couple bucks on each one that I sold thus far.
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1000 watches! I guess the satisfaction achieved is not from wearing buy from collecting only.
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Why not a 5712? You seem to like it, and with some luck might find an AD willing to sell you one, even if the wait will be very long |
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i appreciate this thread a lot, i share many of the raised concerns and insecurities about watch collecting.... as a non-dress watch type, i have reduced my collection a lot, just as the OP. currently i own a 5711R, a 5780AR and a 5712A (coming in three weeks). other than patek, i have a rolex BLNR and a DD40 YG, but i see no point in getting other rolexes, except possibly a steel daytona at some point. other brands do not interest me at all.
at this point i am unsure how to continue. i have a 5320G on order for next year and a 5740 for 2020, both confirmed. the 5740 is a great looking piece - too expensive though - but probably a worse scratch magnet than the other nautilus' and definitely not a casual wearer. also, i am getting more and more unsure about the 5320G....it is a very nice watch but is it outstanding? at this point i am wondering whether it would not make more sense to cancel both orders and use the funds for a real grail piece. i am thinking of the 5270P or the 5270/1R. at this point i do not see any other PP that interests me - except maybe the regulator 5325G. any thoughts on this? |
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Having seen all those watches in person, I’d go for one of the 5270s. Don’t talk yourself into anything at that price. The 5320g is not impressive and I got rid of my regulator quickly.
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thanks, this is helpful. in the end it is between 5740 and the 5270s. 5170P is possibly an outside candidate ....
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Depending on wrist size, the 5170p might be the best bet. It’s a smidge small for me but I’ve certainly been tempted. I’m not sure where the prices were lately; last I checked I think they were gettable at 72-75 if you were patient and knew people who knew people.
The nautilus dial was a bit crowded but I think works. The bracelet and clasp are amazing. I’m honestly a bit blued out so that maybe tempers my enthusiasm for the 5740 and even the 5170p. I think gun to my head I’d do a 5270r if they’re still gettable around 110. Of course, for that price you might be able to snag a 5131r.... |
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