Robert Kraft....thoughts?

[Danny83]

Everyone pays for it one way or another lol

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Can’t agree, Seth, sorry. One needs to also go after those driving the demand with their open wallets....

There are tens of millions of Americans who would pay for it if given an easy opportunity. There's a much smaller group who organize brothels.

I think the best argument (for your point) would be that hardcore criminals have proven they don't care about the law, whereas Johns are responsive to law enforcement and therefore more deterrable.

My opinion of Robert Kraft hasn't actually changed. People get bored, people get lonely, and people pay for it.

[Romeojk]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Your defense of him is really lame. Are you that big of a fan?

So I’m lame.

I’m defending him as much as I would defend a friend or a neighbor or a stranger for that matter.

It was poor judgement on where and who it was with.

I would never want to do that with someone who was forced into...if that were the case here...it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to engage in a similar simple transaction, but the risk of it happening with a person duped into doing it along with the risk of the publicity keeps me from it.

[Maybelline]

All I want to know is why is it ok to talk about this legal case brought against Bob Kraft but we could not discuss the Jussie Smollett case?

I fully realize this is a private forum with rules but I honestly do not understand them.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Maybelline

All I want to know is why is it ok to talk about this legal case brought against Bob Kraft but we could not discuss the Jussie Smollett case?

I fully realize this is a private forum with rules but I honestly do not understand them.

probably because that one is full of issues of both politics and race. No matter the outcome or what happened its a cultural flashpoint.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Maybelline

All I want to know is why is it ok to talk about this legal case brought against Bob Kraft but we could not discuss the Jussie Smollett case?

I fully realize this is a private forum with rules but I honestly do not understand them.

Because they all end in train wrecks and nobody cares about your or my political leanings, you snowflake you.

[Baco Noir]

Probably won’t be the happy ending he was expecting.

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

Probably won’t be the happy ending he was expecting.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Danny83

Everyone pays for it one way or another lol

Can’t argue with this truth.

[Rebel]

Innocent until proven guilty.

If innocent, drop it. If guilty, hang 'em high.

Bless those, O Lord, injured by this awful epedemic (with this situation or not).

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Rebel

Innocent until proven guilty.

If innocent, drop it. If guilty, hang 'em high.

Bless those, O Lord, injured by this awful epedemic (with this situation or not).

The police claim to have him on camera more than once, so how does he get out of this one? Cameras don't lie.

[Maybelline]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

The police claim to have him on camera more than once, so how does he get out of this one? Cameras don't lie.

The ultra rich can afford a dream team of lawyers that can win almost anything.

[warrior]

He could argue that he went in thinking it was for a an actual massage and then it turned out to be something different. Of course, that’s a
Big stretch without knowing more facts...but he went there twice which hurts that argument. It should all come
Out soon enough. I think he’s going to end up coming out with a big apology.

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

The police claim to have him on camera more than once, so how does he get out of this one? Cameras don't lie.

[FloridaRolexGuy23]

70 yr old man wanted a nice shower and backrub to relieve stress so be it. let’s be real how many Thai spas in strip malls do you think are run legit by the book? I’ll answer....none. Every single one offers the happy ending into a warm towel. He just happened to pick one being watched by the feds.

[RichM]

Originally Posted by Maybelline

All I want to know is why is it ok to talk about this legal case brought against Bob Kraft but we could not discuss the Jussie Smollett case?

I fully realize this is a private forum with rules but I honestly do not understand them.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this one doesn’t end up in the tank.

[Rebel]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

The police claim to have him on camera more than once, so how does he get out of this one? Cameras don't lie.

If is a conditional.......in the USA we should be innocent until proven guilty which you know. I then said, If guilty, hang 'em high.

Yes, cameras don't lie. We just need the judge to wrap the gavel and confirm guilt. Then, hang 'em.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

The police claim to have him on camera more than once, so how does he get out of this one? Cameras don't lie.

because he is going to claim entrapment. not guilty and innocent are not the same nor is the defense strategy

especially if someone asked if he wanted something "extra" and he didn't ask first and if that person was cooperating with the police in advance. However if they were, i doubt the act would be allowed to reach that far.

[crew]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

because he is going to claim entrapment. not guilty and innocent are not the same nor is the defense strategy

especially if someone asked if he wanted something "extra" and he didn't ask first and if that person was cooperating with the police in advance. However if they were, i doubt the act would be allowed to reach that far.

Maybe, maybe not. Entrapment is an interesting argument.
However, in this particular case, the real damage is already done. Kraft’s arrest has made international headlines. Even if he is convicted he has already paid a bigger price than any penalty given by a judge.

Btw Tyler, I really liked your earlier reply about the differences between this case and the Smollett situation. Spot on.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by crew

Maybe, maybe not. Entrapment is an interesting argument.
However, in this particular case, the real damage is already done. Kraft’s arrest has made international headlines. Even if he is convicted he has already paid a bigger price than any penalty given by a judge.

Btw Tyler, I really liked your earlier reply about the differences between this case and the Smollett situation. Spot on.

i agree the damage is done regardless. I wouldn't bank on a conviction though as a lot of sting operations and especially vice related ones tend to play a little fast and loose with the rules. Only because people are too embarrassed to fight it and plead guilty, quietly.

They caught some big fish in this one so i am more interested in seeing the tactics used the the legality.

[Romeojk]

I’m out. Time to make some better choices with my time today : )


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[Art 1]

He must have sexual addiction issues or some kind of mental problem or both to go into a place like that. I hope he gets the help he needs. I feel bad for his family as this must be very embarrassing for them.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Art 1

He must have sexual addiction issues or some kind of mental problem or both to go into a place like that. I hope he gets the help he needs. I feel bad for his family as this must be very embarrassing for them.

his wife died in 2011 and he has been dating someone half his age so i do think he is struggling with something. On the surface, getting old is scary and this kind of stuff appears to be an attempt at recapturing your youth to some extent.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

because he is going to claim entrapment. not guilty and innocent are not the same nor is the defense strategy

especially if someone asked if he wanted something "extra" and he didn't ask first and if that person was cooperating with the police in advance. However if they were, i doubt the act would be allowed to reach that far.

having studied criminal law at a fine law school... it's possible.

Just because an undercover officer or a collaborator offered him the "extra" service, that doesn't make his conduct (if shown that he did do it) excusable by reason of entrapment. Kraft would need to demonstrate that, in the absence of the offer/encouragement, he never would have done it. So the bar for claiming entrapment is pretty high, and I doubt this is how his counsel will proceed.

What would work better is getting at the heart of the elements of the offense (solicitation). He paid for a massage, and he got the massage. Apparently unrelated to this transaction, the masseuse offered consensual sex, and he accepted her offer. Is it that unbelievable that a masseuse would want to sleep with a billionaire celebrity businessman? He can argue that at no point did he actively solicit a sex act in exchange for money, and he'll probably win. Having sex at a massage parlor is not illegal -- they have to prove he solicited, and he'll be well defended: his net worth is higher than Palm Beach county's entire annual budget

[Brew]

He'll get off. Again.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by FloridaRolexGuy23

70 yr old man wanted a nice shower and backrub to relieve stress so be it. let’s be real how many Thai spas in strip malls do you think are run legit by the book? I’ll answer....none. Every single one offers the happy ending into a warm towel. He just happened to pick one being watched by the feds.

Isn't Thai/Asian massage the nudge nudge wink wink description for bad massage with happy ending.

I guess in this case not so happy, but life sucks, ya make a billion then you die.

[BNA/LION]

WOW! Net worth of $6B, on the Top of His Game, He has a Beautiful Girlfriend (Ricki Noel Lander) with a new baby and he needs to go to a "Day Spa" for sex. WTF!

If this is true his level of respect has gone to ZERO for me. I have to admit I never really cared for him anyway.

https://pagesix.com/2018/02/28/rober...ly-had-a-baby/

Correction: Baby determined not to be his... However, Sources say that Kraft is “taking full care of Ricki and the baby,” and he has bought her a Los Angeles mansion and made some sizable financial investments on her behalf.

All Normal Behavior for a man dating a younger lady who he did not have a baby with.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i agree the damage is done regardless. I wouldn't bank on a conviction though as a lot of sting operations and especially vice related ones tend to play a little fast and loose with the rules. Only because people are too embarrassed to fight it and plead guilty, quietly.

They caught some big fish in this one so i am more interested in seeing the tactics used the the legality.

See, I'm on the order side of this. No damage is REALLY done to him. Let's be honest, he has FU money. He is 77 years old. He is still going to be rich and old after....he still is going to pay women for it. Sure, some people will look down on him....but do you think he really cares?

Human trafficking is sick, no doubt. HOWEVER, I am also not going to buy into the sensationalizing by the cops and media of ALL of this activity as trafficking. Most of the time, it's voluntary on the girls' part. However, that would not fit into the cops' narrative (especially when "trafficking" busts earn them grants and money from the states and government). I think there are places like this in EVERY state.....LOTS of them. I mean, are any of these Asian spas legit? Come on. It's akin to busting a small-time weed dealer and making him out to be El Chapo or Scarface. People read headlines....not the stuff that comes after (meaning, the facts).

The odd part is he drove to this place on purpose.....which makes no sense. He probably had 20 closer places to his house (not to mention the obvious point that he has the money to do better).

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by BNA/LION

WOW! Net worth of $6B, on the Top of His Game, He has a Beautiful Girlfriend (Ricki Noel Lander) with a new baby and he needs to go to a "Day Spa" for sex. WTF!

If this is true his level of respect has gone to ZERO for me. I have to admit I never really cared for him anyway.

https://pagesix.com/2018/02/28/rober...ly-had-a-baby/

You seem to be exactly one of those types who reads HEADLINES and not the thing after (the story). The story says the baby is NOT KRAFT'S.

[BNA/LION]

Originally Posted by mjr24

You seem to be exactly one of those types who reads HEADLINES and not the thing after (the story). The story says the baby is NOT KRAFT'S.

I'll Simply Say You Don't Know Me!

Perhaps you could Kindly point out the baby was determined to not be his. In any event you have yourself a Nice Day.

[Rolexgal2017]

His girlfriend is beautiful. I don't understand why he would do this.