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10 August 2020, 11:02 PM | #31 |
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Again, will this fall under the Rolex "not for profit" umbrella? Anyone?
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10 August 2020, 11:59 PM | #32 |
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Folks should buy the watch the like. The insides do not matter. If value retention and ease of resale are of main concern... only one option: Rolex. You are buying the name which is almost like cash and easily convertible. Rolex spends massive marketing dollars to ensure that the name is synonymous with luxury and quality. Unless their quality falls off the cliff... it will be very hard for Tudor, Omega, or most brand to achieve the value retention and ease of sale of a Rolex. |
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Would expect much like Rolex a large share of the profits go to charities and the Rolex Awards for Enterprise, but Tudor like Rolex they still got to make a company profit to stay in business..
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Very informative post. I wonder if their making movements for other companies will lift the value of the brand. I would think if other luxury watch brands started using Tudor movements it should reflect favorably on the brand image.
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Rolex SA is a Swiss licensed Private Foundation. As long as they meet the charter for their Foundation they are good. Tudor and Kenissi are probably separate corporations, just like Rolex USA is.
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As far as I know it is a bit different. Tudor created their MT5612 independently. Breitling created B01 independently. Then later on Breitling needed a new non chrono movement and Tudor needed a chrono movement. So they decided to make B20 based on Tudor's MT5612 for Breitling's non-chrono offerings, whereas Tudor made MT5813 based on B01 for their chronos. So to sum things up MT5612 was independently designed by Tudor and B01 was independently designed by Breitling.
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you confuse not for profit to we cant pay people who work there a lot of money. the undistributed net income just stays in the company.
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The issue here is assumption of my intent! I own both Tudor and rolex and many Seiko’s even. Many people deem Tudor to be the same quality as Rolex and that just isn’t the case anymore. Excellent bang per buck and impo Tudor offers more value. They are complete separate entities. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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VW isn’t a Lamborghini but if you want to say it is because it’s all under the parent VW company then it could be.
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Kenissi is supplying Norqain with the GMT movement soon. I think it would benefit them to at least acknowledge that the date issue has been fixed; otherwise I'd be hesitant to buy the GMT movement in any brand.
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As an outsider is kinda funny how people at Tudor have obviously been working pretty hard on strenghtening the brand, getting it out of the shade of Rolex and making it stand on its own feet (manufacture movements, separate facilities etc.), yet people here get instantly labeled "haters" for stating the simple fact that Tudor is not Rolex.
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Did VW create Lamborghini and guide its development? Of course not. They bought an existing company.
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But then the inevitable "then save up and buy a Rolex" comments start flowing. When it's been proven over & over again that many who own Tudor also already own Rolex. The brands compliment each other, as was originally intended. Sadly, too many status whores feel sullied by the riff riff and prefer no association at all. dP
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It is a good defensive move against the inevitable ETA shutoff.
I am confused about the chicken-egg discussion. I read somewhere that Kenissi made sapphire crystals previously. Then they silently worked as a sub inside Tudor’s factory making movements. When Tudor announced its first proprietary movements at Baselworld in 2015, did they disclose whose hands really made the movement? I understand the new building will put the Kenissi watchmakers into separate facilities (Tudor having equal footing with Breitling and Chanel having 20% stake). But Rolex is leasing the land to Kenissi. Kenissi will also actively market their movements to other small brands. It seems brands are repeating the same error they made relying on Swatch - but now it’s Tudor/Rolex in the catbird seat. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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I think that this thread is losing the point.
When I say that Tudor is Rolex, I'm talking about the company. Debating if a Tudor watch is a Rolex watch, or one is inferior to the other is missing that when Tudor/Kenissi build their new manufacturing facility, they are still part of the Rolex Corporation. No different than Omega, Breguet, Glashutte Original, Longines, Tissot, and ETA being Swatches.
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With companies like Breitling or Chanel providing funding, it cuts down on Tudors R&D costs. Breitling benefitted greatly from the chronograph they shared with Tudor. What do these companies get, a great well produced product that may even be better than ETA and Tudor(Rolex) gets capital to develop a movement that they can then sell to its partners. This won't affect Rolex's non profit status more than any other business venture, like Comex or Nemoto which both yielded they're own relevance Rolex. |
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