Is the SD4K now rare?

[Dusko.Popov]

Originally Posted by Onikage

Nope. There's a few hundred thousand of the suckers out there.

Wow. Hyperbole, maybe?

I know no one who works for Rolex and I have no intimate knowledge of any of their watch production data but I will tell you this, there is no way that a few hundred thousand sd4ks were produced. No way.

I would venture to guess that not even 100,000 sdk4s exist. There were some ads that still had first and second run sdk4s (2014) into 2017.

Maybe you meant a few thousand?

[cck1609]

Not rare, but u have to pay premium to get one now

[Onikage]

Originally Posted by Dusko.Popov

Wow. Hyperbole, maybe?

I know no one who works for Rolex and I have no intimate knowledge of any of their watch production data but I will tell you this, there is no way that a few hundred thousand sd4ks were produced. No way.

I would venture to guess that not even 100,000 sdk4s exist. There were some ads that still had first and second run sdk4s (2014) into 2017.

Maybe you meant a few thousand?

It was only a guess. The implication being that it isn't rare. Don't taze me bro.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by timewarped80

Is the 116600 now rare, being discontinued after just 3 years and relatively slow sales compared to other more popular models in the range?

Yes this watch is extremely rare only 3 watches known to exist one just sold for £6000000,but again could be living on fantasy island with all the rest of the so called rare Rolex watches. Good job its a large island as its now almost knee deep in Rolex rare watches.

[swatty]

Originally Posted by padi56

Yes this watch is extremely rare only 3 watches known to exist one just sold for £6000000,but again could be living on fantasy island with all the rest of the so called rare Rolex watches. Good job its a large island as its now almost knee deep in Rolex rare watches.

[G'ed]

One day Trump will wear 116600 and it will be forever known as SD Trump. Price will soar like bald eagle.

[bahamas72]

I've seen 5 of them while traveling over the past few weeks. Even with the AD's discounting them they haven't seemed to move.

[Dusko.Popov]

Originally Posted by Onikage

It was only a guess. The implication being that it isn't rare. Don't taze me bro.

Haven't heard "don't taze me bro" in a while. Oldie but goodie.

I don't know if it's fair to call the 116600 "rare" right now. The only facts that's we know is that it had about a 30 month production run and my observational fact based on my ad experience is that it didn't sell well. The same one sat at a small ad that I frequent for 2 plus years. The experience of others may vary.

So to the extent that you can characterize rareity or the potential of it based on that data, there ya go ...

[ttomczak]

Originally Posted by Dusko.Popov

Haven't heard "don't taze me bro" in a while. Oldie but goodie.

I don't know if it's fair to call the 116600 "rare" right now. The only facts that's we know is that it had about a 30 month production run and my observational fact based on my ad experience is that it didn't sell well. The same one sat at a small ad that I frequent for 2 plus years. The experience of others may vary.

So to the extent that you can characterize rareity or the potential of it based on that data, there ya go ...

I think the only "true" thing that can be said about the 116600 is that in the Rolex Universe, it's life cycle was fairly limited as opposed to other models... With numbers (that none of us will ever really know) being in the few thousands, and it wasn't a knock it out of the park winner... That being said, as soon as it was DC'ed, it did start selling and moving up in price to MSRP or above... Some of that may be attributed to the SD43, SD50, Super Sub or what ever you want to call it for the following reasons:
The SD43 is:
1. to big
2. has a cyclops
3. has red text
4. not a "real" Sea Dweller
5. Genetics made my wrists too small
6. Add you own negative here

I have one, (the SD4K) and I like it for what it is, if I find a 43 (50, SuperSub, whatever), and the hype has boiled down as well as the ridiculous price, it would be my Subc that would be on the trade table, not the SD4K...

I also cherish my 2005 SD...

[nvrp813]

Originally Posted by skirsch

My best guess related to possibilities of the new watch are a bigger 42mm case, debut of a new movement (with a longer power reserve as Tudor In-house movements go 70 hours), a different colored dial, or something done with red lettering harkening to the older watches.

What's your best guess on the winning lottery numbers?

[Londonboy]

Very interesting imho to re-read this thread (as it's recently been bumped and found its way back onto page 1)

Especially post number 28 (doffs cap to that poster)

Wearing my 116600 as I type this post

[Filipão]

One year has passed.

How about trying to find one "NOS" now at a fair price?

[timewarped80]

I wonder how many they actually made in relation to vintage pieces that are actually rare.

[Toivonen]

not at all

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Onikage

Nope. There's a few hundred thousand of the suckers out there.

Originally Posted by Dusko.Popov

Wow. Hyperbole, maybe?

...edited...

Maybe you meant a few thousand?

That's not hyperbole; this is hyperbole.

Originally Posted by padi56

Yes this watch is extremely rare only 3 watches known to exist one just sold for £6000000,but again could be living on fantasy island with all the rest of the so called rare Rolex watches. Good job its a large island as its now almost knee deep in Rolex rare watches.

Originally Posted by Onikage

It was only a guess. The implication being that it isn't rare. Don't taze me bro.

And a pretty poor guess at that. Kind of like Rain Man guessing the value of everything as $100? I'd guess a few thousand made as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkSx3b2hUfk

[Dusko.Popov]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

That's not hyperbole; this is hyperbole.





And a pretty poor guess at that. Kind of like Rain Man guessing the value of everything as $100? I'd guess a few thousand made as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkSx3b2hUfk

Finks in Dulles Town Center only received a few during the 30 months they were for sale.

Crazy to think about.

No places received a 116600 after December, 2016. They just sold that poorly. The first sdk4 hit consumers in May, 2014.

I’m confident that there were Ads that only ever sold one or two during their actual production run.

Put together all the anecdotal stuff with what we know and the fact that at any given time there are 10 or less on eBay, a handful on watch recon, and less than a hundred on Chrono24, and the watch is undeniably rare vis a vis any other Rolex contemporary.

“Rare” is a relative term and the only way to define it is in comparison with something else.

People very weirdly and wrongly say “no modern Rolex is rare.” That doesn’t make sense and doesn’t comport with logic or reality.

There is a rare Rolex by any measure that we can determine rareity: Rolex 116600. Of dubious and unique history.

[kog]

A few SD ref's on chrono24 with quantities, remember the 116600 has only been out of production for 12 months:

Ref: 1665 'Double Red' (1967-1977) 10yrs = 26
Ref: 1665 'Great White' (1977-1983) 06yrs = 09
Ref: 1665 'Comex' = 03
Ref: 1665 All = 91
Ref: 16660 'Triple Six' (1978-1989) 11yrs = 55
Ref: 16600 (1989-2009) 20yrs = 320
Ref: 116600 (2014-2017) 03yrs = 98


Ref: 116660 (2008-Present) = 708
Ref: 126600 (2017-Present) = 227

[Dusko.Popov]

Originally Posted by kog

A few SD ref's on chrono24 with quantities, remember the 116600 has only been out of production for 12 months:

Ref: 1665 'Double Red' (1967-1977) 10yrs = 26
Ref: 1665 'Great White' (1977-1983) 06yrs = 09
Ref: 1665 'Comex' = 03
Ref: 1665 All = 91
Ref: 16660 'Triple Six' (1978-1989) 11yrs = 55
Ref: 16600 (1989-2009) 20yrs = 320
Ref: 116600 (2014-2017) 03yrs = 98


Ref: 116660 (2008-Present) = 708
Ref: 126600 (2017-Present) = 227

Love a little data. Not sure how representative it is, or how significant of a sample size it is, but it’s as good as an availability window as any for the purposes of a discussion. Especially since eBay and any other watch marketplace tells the same story.

What we see here, on the secondary market, is that there are considerably less sdk4s compared to “mk1” sd43.

This is the same for the 16600 that was produced for longer but also that’s been discontinued for seven years.

Interesting ...

[nektar]

I do not think it is rare, today I received a call from my AD that he got one. If anybody is interested, pm me to give you details.

[Onikage]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

That's not hyperbole; this is hyperbole.





And a pretty poor guess at that. Kind of like Rain Man guessing the value of everything as $100? I'd guess a few thousand made as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkSx3b2hUfk

I'm just pissed because I wanted one. A few. I can run with that. A few thousand or so it is then.

[Finslayer83]

What’s the case height on these guys

[voltc]

They are still very much in the market.

[Glidelock]

It’s rare enough that I can Fire Sale it in excess of $3k more than I paid for it NIB! ;)

[HogwldFLTR]

I count 12 116600s on Fleabay as opposed to 183 116660s (both varieties).

[kog]

The 116600 is a gift from Rolex to those who appreciate the technical ability of old with the aesthetics of new. A masterpiece of innovative and fine engineering, the essence of pure Rolex.

Those people saying this watch isn't rare are missing the point, the 116600 has only been out of production 12 months, not the decades like past models. Its the shortest production run of SD, not counting those such as comex made for a specific company.

Chrono24 - UK have 8 on sale, Germany 29, the USA 23, Italy had 1. Fast forward 10 years, how many will be around then??

[ravenhome777]

I don't think it's rare.

[NICK77]

The SD4K design is timeless. A strict tool watch without fancy Cyclops, polished bracelet etc. Rolex kept the tradition of tapered lugs for its design much following its long history(even submariner changed its case design).
It can be worn 'unnoticed' due to its subtle and pure utilitarian styling yet it's a Beast with its 4000feet depth rating. With short production run, it's rarity in future is a no brainer. Think of it as a sleeping Dragon lying dormant in the depths of the earth waiting to rise one day(1 watch to Rule it all).

[vivicorsi]

When demand is much higher than availability it will become „rare“
Even if we all know Rolex is a mass producer.
I predict prices of 15000 euros in 5 years. Mark my words;)

[nektar]

Originally Posted by vivicorsi

When demand is much higher than availability it will become „rare“
Even if we all know Rolex is a mass producer.
I predict prices of 15000 euros in 5 years. Mark my words;)

this is what happened with the Deep sea...

[kog]

Originally Posted by kog

A few SD ref's on chrono24 with quantities, remember the 116600 has only been out of production for 12 months:

Ref: 1665 'Double Red' (1967-1977) 10yrs = 26
Ref: 1665 'Great White' (1977-1983) 06yrs = 09
Ref: 1665 'Comex' = 03
Ref: 1665 All = 91
Ref: 16660 'Triple Six' (1978-1989) 11yrs = 55
Ref: 16600 (1989-2009) 20yrs = 320
Ref: 116600 (2014-2017) 03yrs = 98


Ref: 116660 (2008-Present) = 708
Ref: 126600 (2017-Present) = 227

Update:

A few SD ref's on chrono24 with quantities, remember the 116600 has only been out of production for 12 months:

Ref: 1665 'Double Red' (1967-1977) 10yrs = 39
Ref: 1665 'Great White' (1977-1983) 06yrs = 15
Ref: 1665 'Comex' = 22
Ref: 1665 All = 107
Ref: 16660 'Triple Six' (1978-1989) 11yrs = 14
Ref: 16600 (1989-2009) 20yrs = 330

Ref: 116600 (2014-2017) 3yrs = 89 (The numbers are coming down)


Ref: 116660 (2008-Present) = 608
Ref: 126600 (2017-Present) = 241