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Old 29 July 2019, 05:26 PM   #91
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If you bothered to read the whole thread you’d see that the authenticity of the bezel insert and GMT hand isn’t disputed anywhere. It’s clear as day the bezel insert is fake and more than likely the GMT hand. The watch however is genuine.
I did read it. Put in my 2 cents. Are you the "thread-security"

Ok which part is genuine? The machined case? The back-cover? The bracelet? The clasp?

A "franken" to this state is a fake. Send that to RSC and see what comes back. Most likely nothing.
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Old 29 July 2019, 05:48 PM   #92
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I did read it. Put in my 2 cents. Are you the "thread-security"

Ok which part is genuine? The machined case? The back-cover? The bracelet? The clasp?

A "franken" to this state is a fake. Send that to RSC and see what comes back. Most likely nothing.
Your 2 cents was nonsense stated as fact.

Every part of the watch is genuine apart from the bezel insert and more than likely the gmt hand.

Again showing your lack of knowledge. Send it to RSC and they’ll tell you the bezel insert and possibly the GMT hand are fake, and they’ll offer to put it back to original with a black bezel insert and green GMT hand.
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Old 29 July 2019, 08:23 PM   #93
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Seems like an odd comment. Less than three years ago you were asking about a case back authenticity on a fairly basic watch. Then, every thread you created after was either warning about fakes or posting feedback from purchases.


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Iím puzzled - did you confuse me with someone else?

My comment was simply supporting Adamís well-reasoned questions.

As for my creation of posts, Iíve asked one question on an Omega caseback engraving on a watch I was having restored in the past 3 years. Out of the two dozen or so other threads started by me in that timeframe I bought 2 watches and left good feedback for those sellers 2 sellers.


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Old 30 July 2019, 01:10 AM   #94
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Did his grandfather give it to him? That's the key.
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Old 30 July 2019, 01:17 AM   #95
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Iím puzzled - did you confuse me with someone else?

My comment was simply supporting Adamís well-reasoned questions.

As for my creation of posts, Iíve asked one question on an Omega caseback engraving on a watch I was having restored in the past 3 years. Out of the two dozen or so other threads started by me in that timeframe I bought 2 watches and left good feedback for those sellers 2 sellers.


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Apologies! Wasnít for you. It was the post above yours and i screwed it up.


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Old 30 July 2019, 01:21 AM   #96
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Old 30 July 2019, 01:28 AM   #97
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Your 2 cents was nonsense stated as fact.

Every part of the watch is genuine apart from the bezel insert and more than likely the gmt hand.

Again showing your lack of knowledge. Send it to RSC and theyíll tell you the bezel insert and possibly the GMT hand are fake, and theyíll offer to put it back to original with a black bezel insert and green GMT hand.

None of my call-outs were wrong, so that wasnít nonsense.

Seems like you have a vested interest in this discussion. You sure you werenít the guy who handed the watch to @OP?
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Old 30 July 2019, 01:48 AM   #98
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None of my call-outs were wrong, so that wasn’t nonsense.

Seems like you have a vested interest in this discussion. You sure you weren’t the guy who handed the watch to @OP?
You’re claiming the whole watch is fake, which is wrong/nonsense. It’s a genuine M serial, possibly very late Z serial 116710LN.

I have no ‘vested interest’ in the watch. And to suggest I ‘handed’ it to him is frankly ridiculous. I just don’t think it’s fair to the OP when people with little to no knowledge of authenticating watches start throwing their wrong opinions around as facts. This isn’t just aimed at you. Being told your watch is fake isn’t a nice feeling I imagine.

I really hope the OP doesn’t leave this thread without updating on the outcome of the AD inspection. It will show I do actually know what I’m talking about.
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Old 30 July 2019, 03:34 AM   #99
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About half the posts on here are trolls
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Old 30 July 2019, 04:25 AM   #100
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Where are the internal movement pics??? Its tomorrow please MrN??? Thanks.
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Old 30 July 2019, 06:07 AM   #101
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Seems like you have a vested interest in this discussion. You sure you werenít the guy who handed the watch to @OP?
That is a ridiculous and uncalled for accusation!

Although I am sure movement is going to be genuine, I personally believe that dial/case and bracelet will be fake.
We all agree bezel is
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Old 30 July 2019, 06:55 AM   #102
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Quite an entertaining thread, but IBTL!
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Old 30 July 2019, 06:56 AM   #103
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moving the crown forward, what's the direction that the hands moves?

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Old 30 July 2019, 07:04 AM   #104
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You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, along with 95% of the posters in this thread.

Do you care to explain what’s not real about the case, rehaut engravings, dial, crystal, bracelet, clasp, hands (except the GMT hand) or are you just jumping on the band wagon?

I suspect the latter, as you clearly haven’t got a clue what you’re looking at.
Seems you melted down over my simple comment.
My statement still stands.
I’ll make sure not to rely on you for expertise.

I seem to recall a rule about not discussing fakes in detail.
Nothing to be offended by. To each their own opinion.
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Old 30 July 2019, 07:31 AM   #105
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Seems you melted down over my simple comment.
My statement still stands.
Iíll make sure not to rely on you for expertise.

I seem to recall a rule about not discussing fakes in detail.
Nothing to be offended by. To each their own opinion.
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Old 30 July 2019, 08:07 AM   #106
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Quick update: went to my AD and they wonít open it or touch it. Iím not sure if this it normal but they sent me to RSC. Iíll keep you posted!




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Old 30 July 2019, 08:09 AM   #107
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Sounds ominous.
But pretty sure you have a fake with genuine Rolex movement
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Old 30 July 2019, 08:18 AM   #108
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looks genuine watch that was frankened by using aftermarket bezel and aftermarket hand.
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Old 31 July 2019, 01:55 AM   #109
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Itís an early 116710ln poorly converted to a BLNR with fake parts. The rehaut engraving design has been changed on these watches. Itís perfect for the period. Have a look at 2008-2011ish models and look at the engravings. Theyíll be exactly the same; dark double engraved. They then changed to a lighter, double engraving around 2012. They were then changed again to what we have today, laser engraved.

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2016 Current style laser engraved:



Although I donít necessarily disagree with you given there sand blasted clasp ( which means pre 2016), the rehaut appears completely off center. Also, the AR costing on the date window appears to reflect correct sapphire crystal so assuming the movement pans out I think this was just a refurb LN that maybe was not put together well after it was taken apart to replace the GmT hand and make any other repairs we may not even be aware of.


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Old 31 July 2019, 02:05 AM   #110
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Although I don’t necessarily disagree with you given there sand blasted clasp ( which means pre 2016), the rehaut appears completely off center. Also, the AR costing on the date window appears to reflect correct sapphire crystal so assuming the movement pans out I think this was just a refurb LN that maybe was not put together well after it was taken apart to replace the GmT hand and make any other repairs we may not even be aware of.


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The watch in question is more than likely a 2008 M serial. If it’s not the angle of pictures, then you’re right, when the hand was changed and the movement dropped back in the case, the movement screws may have been done up before the stem was fitted back in, watch maker didn’t check dial lined up properly, causing the dial to be slightly off with the rehaut engravings. I’ve even seen it on brand new watches straight from an AD, it’s rare but it happens. That hand obviously wasn’t fitted by Rolex though.

No fake GMT case has ever got those dark double line engraved rehaut engravings right.

I’m certain it’s a genuine 116710ln. If it’s not an M serial it’s a very late Z.

EDIT: Just had another look at the pictures. You’re definitely right, the movement/dial was refitted slightly off when it was recased.
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Old 31 July 2019, 02:18 AM   #111
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looks genuine watch that was frankened by using aftermarket bezel and aftermarket hand.
Someone else that knows what they’re talking about!
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Old 31 July 2019, 03:03 AM   #112
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I wouldn't be messing with MrN... his cars, homes, yachts, watches etc are on a different level I don't doubt the poker game purchase
Hopefully it's just been, poorly, modded. The only thing I notice that hasn't been pointed out is the crown at 12 on the rehaut isn't centered, but that doesn't necessarily mean the case is wrong...
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Old 31 July 2019, 05:46 AM   #113
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Quick update: went to my AD and they wonít open it or touch it. Iím not sure if this it normal but they sent me to RSC. Iíll keep you posted!




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Is that the Beverly Hills RSC?
I had not seen a pic of it before - plenty of other RSC pics but not the BH RSC.

Good luck on their assessment.

Hopefully they will shoot pics of the movement inside if itís genuine.


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Old 31 July 2019, 08:55 AM   #114
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Is that the Beverly Hills RSC?
I had not seen a pic of it before - plenty of other RSC pics but not the BH RSC.

Good luck on their assessment.

Hopefully they will shoot pics of the movement inside if itís genuine.


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Old 31 July 2019, 09:57 PM   #115
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I hope you gave him a $5 bill for that watch ...

your "good friend" is flashing a fake Rolex and 100doll
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Old 1 August 2019, 02:08 AM   #116
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looks genuine watch that was frankened by using aftermarket bezel and aftermarket hand.
Someone had a 116710, and when the Batman craze came out decided to "convert" it to a Batman using cheap fake bezel and blue GMT hand. Sold it posing it as a batman and probaly made $5K profit.
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I guess the bottom line, whether fake or Franken, who here would love to jump all over this and buy it from the OP?
.....and if the likely answer is “no”, then does it really matter which one it is of the two?
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Old 5 August 2019, 03:02 PM   #118
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What ever came of this, OP?


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Watch looks legit to me, although the bezel is clearly aftermarket fake and suggest the GMT hand has been replaced.
Watch was born as an LN I would guess but been bastardised into a BLNR by a rubbish bezel lookey-likey and re-painted GMT hand.

EDIT:
Actually the rehaut looks off as well and the crown on the clasp maybe not as defined as it should be.
It’s likely all fake, but the dial looks ok for a LN Dial?

I’m perplexed. Can’t wait to hear the outcome of this.

MrN, please keep us posted.
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Is that the Beverly Hills RSC?
I had not seen a pic of it before - plenty of other RSC pics but not the BH RSC.

Good luck on their assessment.

Hopefully they will shoot pics of the movement inside if itís genuine.


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Yes it is. Been there before myself. Free parking in the heart of BH. Nice of them. They have a nice large coffee table book to the right you can look through with Rolex history movements bezels etc. nothing else really that special tbh. The pic shows most of the room.


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