2021/10 NEW Patek

[Cru Jones]

Sorry, but I like the 5905/1A-001.

(Photo from Revolution)

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Sorry, but I like the 5905/1A-001.

(Photo from Revolution)

But you must admit that it's an interesting choice to combine an unknown, slow moving watch with a reviled bracelet in an attempt to create a popular watch in a material (stainless steel) that you claim to want to, mostly, eliminate from your catalog.
Help me understand where Patek wants to go.

[Cru Jones]

^ I trust Patek knows what it’s doing.

Yes, there are a few vocal “internet warriors” who don’t like the bracelet, but clearly the market (and thus Patek) says otherwise.

Combine that with an AC function and chrono, along with the ever-popular steel and beautiful green dial, and you have a nice watch that’s in synch with the times.

[IBDOC]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

^ I trust Patek knows what it’s doing.

Yes, there are a few vocal “internet warriors” who don’t like the bracelet, but clearly the market (and thus Patek) says otherwise.

Combine that with an AC function and chrono, along with the ever-popular steel and beautiful green dial, and you have a nice watch that’s in synch with the times.

5167A sells for more than 5167/1A even though 1A entitles the owner to buy the rubber strap and clasp. Says all about how popular that bracelet is.

/have deposit on 5167/1A. Acc to my AD every single /1A allocated by them have had the buyer ordering a rubber strap to use as default option.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by IBDOC

5167A sells for more than 5167/1A even though 1A entitles the owner to buy the rubber strap and clasp. Says all about how popular that bracelet is.

/have deposit on 5167/1A. Acc to my AD every single /1A allocated by them have had the buyer ordering a rubber strap to use as default option.

Yes but rubber is far more popular than leather and the rubber band has a design motif that integrates with the dial.

I’d buy one of these 5905 right now if it were available to me.

[italiafan]

I hope they make a 5205 (AC with moon phase) in all steel like the 5905. I’d get in line to buy that.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by cascavel

But you must admit that it's an interesting choice to combine an unknown, slow moving watch with a reviled bracelet in an attempt to create a popular watch in a material (stainless steel) that you claim to want to, mostly, eliminate from your catalog.
Help me understand where Patek wants to go.

Think of the bracelet as a free option. Basically they are offering another white metal 5905 at 2/3 of the price of the P. The 1A is also more robust and less top heavy even if you put it on a strap. That is the good news. The bad news is that the watch remains large and bulky (just like all Patek ACCs) and that the trendy green dial may not age well.

[Mini2]

Lets get some rubber on that 5905

[srvrf]

It will be nice to see these in person but I do like the 5905. When I had the 5167/1A I wore it on the bracelet about half the time and think it’s very comfortable. The links are thicker and more rounded than the Nautilus links so I’m guessing thats the reason they paired it with a thicker case.

I loved pictures of the blue dial world time chronograph, but had a very hard time reading the dial when I tried it on. I suspect the green one may be the same, especially for older eyeballs.


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[Ichiran]

I tried on the 5905/1a today but it was too big for my wrist. The colour of the dial, the bracelet and the SS execution was perfect though. I used to own the 5167/1A and I like that bracelet. It is silky smooth, comfortable and looks sporty. I only wish I have the wrist for the 42mm.

The 5930P was awesome. The green and the guilloche work very well together giving off a very vibrant green. Between that and the G, I think the P is a better iteration of the WT chrono.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by IBDOC

5167A sells for more than 5167/1A even though 1A entitles the owner to buy the rubber strap and clasp. Says all about how popular that bracelet is.

/have deposit on 5167/1A. Acc to my AD every single /1A allocated by them have had the buyer ordering a rubber strap to use as default option.

In 2018, when I wanted an Aquanaut, my AD told me it was a three year wait for the 5167a but if I wanted the 5167/1a I could have it in 6 months and he delivered on it, albeit, in 9 months. No one wanted to pay up for the bracelet even on this popular model on which you could change out for rubber.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by Mini2

Lets get some rubber on that 5905

Is the 5905/1a water resistant? Seems like the rubber would be out of context.

[Daytonaman799]

Thankfully for my wallet I don’t lust after any of these. I’ll just continue to pine for a 5740…

[IBDOC]

Originally Posted by ts3

Think of the bracelet as a free option. Basically they are offering another white metal 5905 at 2/3 of the price of the P. The 1A is also more robust and less top heavy even if you put it on a strap. That is the good news. The bad news is that the watch remains large and bulky (just like all Patek ACCs) and that the trendy green dial may not age well.

5960/1A has a big indent between the lugs as an additional anchor point for the bracelet. Until someone shows me a 5905/1A on a strap I’m not convinced that it doesn’t have the same but even more visible due to 14mm height.

Just like the 5270/1R also has horrendous pin pusher button extensions between the lugs that make strap wearing impossible unless you want a watch looking like it has an acne problem.

[rockdrock]

Tried all of these today. 5905 is AMAZING and lists are going to be insane. Interesting to see the negative reactions but the Salon was saying a different story with people tripping over each other.

All three watches were stellar.

[Mini2]

Originally Posted by rockdrock

Tried all of these today. 5905 is AMAZING and lists are going to be insane. Interesting to see the negative reactions but the Salon was saying a different story with people tripping over each other.

All three watches were stellar.

If there is demand for the 5905 then great for Patek but if there is no demand it will be limited by Patek to make people think otherwise.

Its a win win for Patek

[Mini2]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I tried on the 5905/1a today but it was too big for my wrist. The colour of the dial, the bracelet and the SS execution was perfect though. I used to own the 5167/1A and I like that bracelet. It is silky smooth, comfortable and looks sporty. I only wish I have the wrist for the 42mm.

The 5930P was awesome. The green and the guilloche work very well together giving off a very vibrant green. Between that and the G, I think the P is a better iteration of the WT chrono.

Are you based in Geneva?

[Will_L]

Originally Posted by cascavel

Is the 5905/1a water resistant? Seems like the rubber would be out of context.

30m, so no

[Mini2]

Originally Posted by cascavel

Is the 5905/1a water resistant? Seems like the rubber would be out of context.

People buy rolex submariners and never even see the sea..

[azizu]

Originally Posted by italiafan

I hope they make a 5205 (AC with moon phase) in all steel like the 5905. I’d get in line to buy that.

As much as I love what you are saying
But this is exactly the opposite of what PP is trying to do.
They want to use the steel to make you fall in love with the 5205 in precious metal on leather not the other way around as you described


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[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Mini2

Are you based in Geneva?

I tried on at Marina Bay Sands Patek Singapore.

[QuelleHeureEstIl]

I see polarization in the comments about the Patek bracelets which is not the case for other brands like Rolex, RM or even Zenith, Omega or Vacheron (that overseas solution...)

Rolex bracelets (oyster, jubilee or president) are so timeless, practical, superb. Gay Freres was such a strategic buy.

I hope that Patek will invest massively into that subject (composite and metal) to better compliment the case and caliber.

PS: I feel that people want to wear their PP outside climate controled offices. Everywhere. Without limits. Wearing a leather strap with 90% humidity at +30c is not pleasing and not very hygienic. @Ichiran may better comment about it with his experience and about what people prefer in SG (I may be wrong about my analysis).

[scurfa]

I have to laugh, my nautilus was the biggest disappointment ever, I use the pin and collar system on my own brand of watches and at $60 I’m called a cheap skate!


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[thanyasr]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I tried on the 5905/1a today but it was too big for my wrist. The colour of the dial, the bracelet and the SS execution was perfect though. I used to own the 5167/1A and I like that bracelet. It is silky smooth, comfortable and looks sporty. I only wish I have the wrist for the 42mm.

The 5930P was awesome. The green and the guilloche work very well together giving off a very vibrant green. Between that and the G, I think the P is a better iteration of the WT chrono.

Do u mind to tell what your wrist size?

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by QuelleHeureEstIl

I feel that people want to wear their PP outside climate controled offices. Everywhere. Without limits. Wearing a leather strap with 90% humidity at +30c is not pleasing and not very hygienic. @Ichiran may better comment about it with his experience and about what people prefer in SG (I may be wrong about my analysis).

People here tend to wear watches with bracelet. The leather strap crowd is a minority.

Originally Posted by thanyasr

Do u mind to tell what your wrist size?

6.3 to 6.4 inches depending on the weather.

I do notice some people with small but flatter wrist are able to wear larger watches. For me, I can't wear a watch with lug-2-lug bigger than 49mm. All the standard 41mm RO and VCO are out for me.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by Mini2

People buy rolex submariners and never even see the sea..

And yet, do you know anyone who wears a Rolex Sub, GMT or Explorer on a leather or crocodile strap? It's the thought that counts.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by QuelleHeureEstIl

I see polarization in the comments about the Patek bracelets which is not the case for other brands like Rolex, RM or even Zenith, Omega or Vacheron (that overseas solution...)

Rolex bracelets (oyster, jubilee or president) are so timeless, practical, superb. Gay Freres was such a strategic buy.

I hope that Patek will invest massively into that subject (composite and metal) to better compliment the case and caliber.

PS: I feel that people want to wear their PP outside climate controled offices. Everywhere. Without limits. Wearing a leather strap with 90% humidity at +30c is not pleasing and not very hygienic. @Ichiran may better comment about it with his experience and about what people prefer in SG (I may be wrong about my analysis).

But don't we already have the answer to this? Patek doesn't want to be known as a "stainless steel" watch maker, hence the cancellation of the 5711/1a, and is using the unpopular Aquanaut bracelet on this complicated watch because they are experiencing too much fatigue to design a new one.
People have bitched endlessly about the clasps on Rolex watches, PCLs where they felt they detracted from the design and invited scratches and the hatred of the Vacheron Overseas bracelet was epic.

[danicasi2002]

Originally Posted by Flex368

Change metal, add green dial and maybe an Aquanaut bracelet. The new PP collection update approach. :

There you go. Not exciting.

[Mini2]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Sorry, but I like the 5905/1A-001.

(Photo from Revolution)

Do you think I am right in saying when this becomes a success they may easily just add bracelet variants to the rose gold and platinum of the 5905

steel 45k
rose 75k maybe
platinum 87k possibly

Do you think 30/40k would be too much for a full precious metal variant of this watch

[JerBear]

Originally Posted by cascavel

But you must admit that it's an interesting choice to combine an unknown, slow moving watch with a reviled bracelet in an attempt to create a popular watch in a material (stainless steel) that you claim to want to, mostly, eliminate from your catalog.
Help me understand where Patek wants to go.

These are my thoughts as well. Makes them seem hypocritical for canceling the 5711 and then releasing a new model in steel.