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unlockclips · 28 January 2010, 07:19 AM

I have recently acquired a 5513 and having bought at distance i had not managed to study every mm in detail before buying. I have a few questions regarding the watch which i am sure the knowledgeable members will be able to assist me with

The watch is most definately a project!

From what i can see it has a maxi dial in relatively poor condition and not a service dial. The thing that intrigues me is that the movment calibre read from the auto work is 1570, could the auto work have been replaced wholesale at some point, or would it be more likely that the movement has been changed completely? Is there anyway to tell? I know only the 5512 came with 1570 calibre movements so if the whole movement is 1570 then it is not original to the watch. Both the caseback and between the lugs indicate the watch case is 5513.

The serial number starts 5 so this dates the watch i believe to around 1978. I have sourced a replacement crown and tube for the watch (702) as these need replacing and i also have a worn, but not quite as worn as the current, bezel insert. A generic dot for the bezel insert has also been found and i have an original 19 tropic.

I would be interested in any advice regarding the dial, movement and refurbishment that you guys could offer.

Thank you James

stevemulholland3 · 29 January 2010, 03:56 AM

your going to need a new dial as to have that one refinished will just keep the value mediocre at best..spend the money and get a decent condition dial for it..
the movement may have just had the bridge changed as they are compatible with the 1520/30 so you will need an experienced watchmaker to investigate that aspect further..
good luck!the 5513 is the all-time iconic classic sportswatch of the Rolex line..and the best seller to boot!

snow_rocks · 29 January 2010, 04:11 AM

Wrong crown! Wrong case!

unlockclips · 29 January 2010, 06:53 AM

Thanks for the advice Steven, i know you have a good stock of dials, so you may be expecting an e-mail sometime soon! I sent you mail a few days ago to see what you had available so i have your contact details when the time comes.

WBR James

unlockclips · 29 January 2010, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snow_rocks

Wrong crown! Wrong case!

Thank you for the response to my post, but would you care to elaborate a little on the above?

The current crown is incorrect this is why i have sourced a 702 crown and tube which according to the Rolex R20 catalogue is compatible with the 5513 aswell as the 700 tube and crown. Does the crown / tube option depend on the movement?

Why is the case wrong? or did you mean the tube /crown / case was the wrong combination?

WBR James

snow_rocks · 29 January 2010, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlockclips

Why is the case wrong? or did you mean the tube /crown / case was the wrong combination?

WBR James

The case looks like a 1675, because of the size of the crown in relation to the crown guards. Like to see a pic from the side.
You stated 5513 being between the lugs.

sakuraba · 29 January 2010, 08:06 AM

The caseback clearly states 5513, but the crown guards suggest it might be a GMT (1675/ 16750) judging by their width. Crown looks like it's not a triplock.

This watch looks like it might be a combinations of different parts put together.

I could be wrong.

In any case, good luck with the project.

unlockclips · 29 January 2010, 08:43 AM

Thanks for all the pointers guys i try to get some more pictures up in a day or so.

WBR James

oystercase · 30 January 2010, 02:25 AM

My guess would be that the whole movement is a 1570, not just the rotor bridge.

You can spot the difference between the calibers at the balance spring attachment. The non chronometer 1520 and 1530 has a different arrangement were the adjustment is made by changing the spring length (regulator).

Compare below:

1570

1530

1520

Nicko · 30 January 2010, 08:02 AM

I'm sorry, but that case is not from any kind of Sub that I have seen. The crown guard and crown is way off.....I agree with the idea that this is a frankensub at best. I hope you didn't pay a premium price, and if I were you make the seller take it back.

eparisini · 30 January 2010, 08:35 AM

it's fake... also brabelet end pieces

rfknauss · 30 January 2010, 09:52 AM

I'm not an expert, but it does not look anything like my 5513.

mcjp6 · 30 January 2010, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eparisini

it's fake... also brabelet end pieces

there are no end pieces or bracelet shown........

eparisini · 30 January 2010, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcjp6

there are no end pieces or bracelet shown........

what are these end pieces or what else?

mcjp6 · 30 January 2010, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eparisini

what are these end pieces or what else?

Those pictures were posted by oystercase as an example of different movements and are NOT pictures posted by the OP.

Nicko · 30 January 2010, 09:57 PM

So what's the ruling on this franken-something???

unlockclips · 31 January 2010, 02:40 AM

I think i had better get some closer shots up for you guys to have a look at. The watch is currently at my watchmakers, so i will try and get it back next week. Definately 5513 between the lugs, would they have been faking these in 1978? I paid around £1400 for it expecting some work needed to be done.

WBR James

unlockclips · 6 February 2010, 12:36 AM

Hi guys,

I got the case back from my watchmaker and have taken some more pictures of the case for your perusal...

Any advice as usual is much appreciated

WBR James

oystercase · 6 February 2010, 01:18 AM

The "red" distance (edge to edge) should measure ca 4-4.2mm on a 5513.
(Sorry, I don´t have proper tools for a more exact measurment at my office)

stevemulholland3 · 6 February 2010, 10:47 AM

dont worry,there is nothing wrong with your case..I have 12 different 5513's sitting all around me and some differ slightly from others in their respective dimensions..
this is due to either some watchmakers over zealous polishing or there are even two case styles of 5513..one slimmer profiled and the other thicker..how many of you knew that?
with a tremendous amount of elbow grease and the right parts you can have that watch looking like brand new again..thats the greatest thing about Rolex sports watches..they are nearly indestructable!

unlockclips · 6 February 2010, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oystercase

The "red" distance (edge to edge) should measure ca 4-4.2mm on a 5513.
(Sorry, I don´t have proper tools for a more exact measurment at my office)

Having measured this with my crude tools, it looks like we are in the right range.

Thank you for the help James

unlockclips · 6 February 2010, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

dont worry,there is nothing wrong with your case..I have 12 different 5513's sitting all around me and some differ slightly from others in their respective dimensions..
this is due to either some watchmakers over zealous polishing or there are even two case styles of 5513..one slimmer profiled and the other thicker..how many of you knew that?
with a tremendous amount of elbow grease and the right parts you can have that watch looking like brand new again..thats the greatest thing about Rolex sports watches..they are nearly indestructable!

Thank you for the reassurance Steve! Do you think the price paid was too high?

WBR James

28 January 2010, 07:19 AM	#1
unlockclips "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 9	A little advice on a project 5513 I have recently acquired a 5513 and having bought at distance i had not managed to study every mm in detail before buying. I have a few questions regarding the watch which i am sure the knowledgeable members will be able to assist me with The watch is most definately a project! From what i can see it has a maxi dial in relatively poor condition and not a service dial. The thing that intrigues me is that the movment calibre read from the auto work is 1570, could the auto work have been replaced wholesale at some point, or would it be more likely that the movement has been changed completely? Is there anyway to tell? I know only the 5512 came with 1570 calibre movements so if the whole movement is 1570 then it is not original to the watch. Both the caseback and between the lugs indicate the watch case is 5513. The serial number starts 5 so this dates the watch i believe to around 1978. I have sourced a replacement crown and tube for the watch (702) as these need replacing and i also have a worn, but not quite as worn as the current, bezel insert. A generic dot for the bezel insert has also been found and i have an original 19 tropic. I would be interested in any advice regarding the dial, movement and refurbishment that you guys could offer. Thank you James

30 January 2010, 08:35 AM	#11
eparisini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Emanuele Location: Italy Watch: 6263 FAP Posts: 795	it's fake... also brabelet end pieces __________________ EAT, DRINK AND BE MAUI

30 January 2010, 09:52 AM	#12
rfknauss 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Richard Location: Macungie, PA Watch: 5513 Sub, LV Sub Posts: 14,493	I'm not an expert, but it does not look anything like my 5513. __________________ *"Few things in life give man as great a pleasure as wearing a Rolex!"* TRF's "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Patron

29 January 2010, 03:56 AM	#2
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,673	your going to need a new dial as to have that one refinished will just keep the value mediocre at best..spend the money and get a decent condition dial for it.. the movement may have just had the bridge changed as they are compatible with the 1520/30 so you will need an experienced watchmaker to investigate that aspect further.. good luck!the 5513 is the all-time iconic classic sportswatch of the Rolex line..and the best seller to boot!

29 January 2010, 04:11 AM	#3
snow_rocks Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: At what TIME?!!! Watch: the SKY tonite! Posts: 3,225	Wrong crown! Wrong case!

29 January 2010, 06:53 AM	#4
unlockclips "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 9	Thanks for the advice Steven, i know you have a good stock of dials, so you may be expecting an e-mail sometime soon! I sent you mail a few days ago to see what you had available so i have your contact details when the time comes. WBR James

29 January 2010, 08:06 AM	#7
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	The caseback clearly states 5513, but the crown guards suggest it might be a GMT (1675/ 16750) judging by their width. Crown looks like it's not a triplock. This watch looks like it might be a combinations of different parts put together. I could be wrong. In any case, good luck with the project.

29 January 2010, 08:43 AM	#8
unlockclips "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 9	Thanks for all the pointers guys i try to get some more pictures up in a day or so. WBR James

30 January 2010, 02:25 AM	#9
oystercase "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: sweden Posts: 6	My guess would be that the whole movement is a 1570, not just the rotor bridge. You can spot the difference between the calibers at the balance spring attachment. The non chronometer 1520 and 1530 has a different arrangement were the adjustment is made by changing the spring length (regulator). Compare below: 1570 1530 1520

30 January 2010, 08:02 AM	#10
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	I'm sorry, but that case is not from any kind of Sub that I have seen. The crown guard and crown is way off.....I agree with the idea that this is a frankensub at best. I hope you didn't pay a premium price, and if I were you make the seller take it back.

30 January 2010, 09:57 PM	#16
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	So what's the ruling on this franken-something???

31 January 2010, 02:40 AM	#17
unlockclips "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 9	I think i had better get some closer shots up for you guys to have a look at. The watch is currently at my watchmakers, so i will try and get it back next week. Definately 5513 between the lugs, would they have been faking these in 1978? I paid around £1400 for it expecting some work needed to be done. WBR James

6 February 2010, 12:36 AM	#18
unlockclips "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 9	Hi guys, I got the case back from my watchmaker and have taken some more pictures of the case for your perusal... Any advice as usual is much appreciated WBR James

6 February 2010, 01:18 AM	#19
oystercase "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: sweden Posts: 6	The "red" distance (edge to edge) should measure ca 4-4.2mm on a 5513. (Sorry, I don´t have proper tools for a more exact measurment at my office)

6 February 2010, 10:47 AM	#20
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,673	dont worry,there is nothing wrong with your case..I have 12 different 5513's sitting all around me and some differ slightly from others in their respective dimensions.. this is due to either some watchmakers over zealous polishing or there are even two case styles of 5513..one slimmer profiled and the other thicker..how many of you knew that? with a tremendous amount of elbow grease and the right parts you can have that watch looking like brand new again..thats the greatest thing about Rolex sports watches..they are nearly indestructable!

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