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Old 14 January 2019, 02:13 AM   #31
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The octagonal design language is there in the case though.
It is and the distinct finish screams AP, but I feel it's too subtle head on, I think the Octagon should just protrude out to be visible.
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Old 14 January 2019, 02:19 AM   #32
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Overall, I think the over-reaction and venom directed at AP so far for this new line is both overblown and unwarranted. Let's wait to see the watches irl before making judgement folks


Agreed
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Old 14 January 2019, 05:22 AM   #33
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It is and the distinct finish screams AP, but I feel it's too subtle head on, I think the Octagon should just protrude out to be visible.


It would have been cool to have had an internal octagonal bezel on the 11:59.

Something a bit like the 26421 bezel angles inside but with a round surround to keep it distinct and dressier.

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Old 14 January 2019, 06:01 AM   #34
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Looking at this pic, I’m going to say it, I actually really think it’s a beautiful design
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Old 14 January 2019, 06:13 AM   #35
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Looking at this pic, I’m going to say it, I actually really think it’s a beautiful design
This one and the perpetual look beautiful. They shouldn't have been lazy and greedy and should have done something special for the "cheaper" watches' dials too, or just left them out of the collection for now.

If AP just came out with this supersonnerie, perpetual, and openworked, then the line would be widely praised and the one small complaint would be that they didn't offer any more affordable options. I guess they would have to offer a chrono also since they promised the long-awaited in-house integrated movement. A more special dial on that one would have been a smart move.
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Old 14 January 2019, 06:14 AM   #36
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It is and the distinct finish screams AP, but I feel it's too subtle head on, I think the Octagon should just protrude out to be visible.


I think maybe the 1159 is the watch that will look different in person than in photos. I’m curious to see and wear it in real life.
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Old 14 January 2019, 06:27 AM   #37
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It would have been cool to have had an internal octagonal bezel on the 11:59.

Something a bit like the 26421 bezel angles inside but with a round surround to keep it distinct and dressier.

Something like this, or with the octagon just visible head on, maybe it is irl, but I'm not quite into the supermassive logos as you clearly are.
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Old 14 January 2019, 06:33 AM   #38
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I suspect the dial may be amazing in real life. It sounds like its similar to that on my RG Sea Master Planet Ocean, which is incredibly vibrant and really pops, much more so than AP dials. It also has similarly applied '12' and 'Omega' in rose gold, which adds tremendously to the dial, looking much more special than printed, both because its actual polished gold and raised.
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Old 14 January 2019, 07:54 AM   #39
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Great cases, movements & straps.

Dials & hands need work.
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Old 14 January 2019, 08:14 AM   #40
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Looking at this pic, I’m going to say it, I actually really think it’s a beautiful design
Agreed this is the only one I really like. In steel at around 20k I might have entertained one. Unfortunately it’s an MR and well out of my budget!
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Old 14 January 2019, 08:14 AM   #41
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This one and the perpetual look beautiful. They shouldn't have been lazy and greedy and should have done something special for the "cheaper" watches' dials too, or just left them out of the collection for now.

If AP just came out with this supersonnerie, perpetual, and openworked, then the line would be widely praised and the one small complaint would be that they didn't offer any more affordable options. I guess they would have to offer a chrono also since they promised the long-awaited in-house integrated movement. A more special dial on that one would have been a smart move.

Spot on. Objectively speaking, if one look at the entire range offerings, it's only the dials on the chronos and time/date models that have many people up in arms due to the "cheap" look. I am not sure where all this hate come from and don't think it's deserved. I bet 99.99% of the people hurling insults at AP for this new release have not actually seen or handled one irl yet. I don't like those dials as well ( yes, they do look "cheap" ) but it can be easily fixed in a future release.

AP is partly to be blamed. They created so much hype that regardless what comes out, unless it's Genta himself ressurected and design a new line, it's not going to meet expectation.


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I suspect the dial may be amazing in real life. It sounds like its similar to that on my RG Sea Master Planet Ocean, which is incredibly vibrant and really pops, much more so than AP dials. It also has similarly applied '12' and 'Omega' in rose gold, which adds tremendously to the dial, looking much more special than printed, both because its actual polished gold and raised.

I am leaning towards this as well, which is why I am looking forward to see them. Good youtube videos will be able to show it. I bought my new Omega Seamaster ( which I adore ) after I have seen great youtube videos about the watch. The dial pops like nothing I have owned irl.
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Old 14 January 2019, 08:44 AM   #42
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This one and the perpetual look beautiful. They shouldn't have been lazy and greedy and should have done something special for the "cheaper" watches' dials too, or just left them out of the collection for now.

If AP just came out with this supersonnerie, perpetual, and openworked, then the line would be widely praised and the one small complaint would be that they didn't offer any more affordable options. I guess they would have to offer a chrono also since they promised the long-awaited in-house integrated movement. A more special dial on that one would have been a smart move.
Spot on 100% agree
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Old 14 January 2019, 08:58 AM   #43
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Case I like a lot, but wouldn’t ever expect to be an AP. I think this is and epic fail, probably going to be discontinued after their dismal sales.

But the 38mm ROC was very smart, it’s a good push to a more normalized case size.

I also really like the Salmon Jumbo, omg a freaking beautiful piece, bring out some new unique colors.

Purple ROC was cool too
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Old 14 January 2019, 09:24 AM   #44
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Great cases, movements & straps.

Dials & hands need work.
^^This.

We all know that the present era suffers quite a bit with respect to the lack of original designs. Gerald Genta left the industry a pretty heavy heritage. A very large part of what AP makes is continuously compared against the original Genta RO design. How easy do we think it is that this revolutionary design of the 1970s can be successfully surpassed?

The Code 11.59 is a beautiful watch. It's the result of teamwork, especially in the conceptual design and styling part, more that ever before - and that's not easy for us to digest. But why?

- because we are judging prematurely based on just pictures
- because times have changed and despite that we all think a new Gerald Genta will show up, come along and easily lead AP to the creation of a "new RO" which will instantly shock us with its unsurpassed beauty
- because we fail to objectively acknowledge the fact that the introduction of Code 11.59 line is a big gamble for AP, for they must have thought this out very carefully
- because we rush and temporarily omit paying attention to many details this new line of timepieces seems to possess, such as selected design aspects of the case, the sapphire crystal, details on the new movement, straps details, the nice and larger date aperture, etc.

Yes the basic variant (date only model) looks a bit boring at first glance, surely the whole case and dial design may be more synthesis and teamwork effort instead of exhibiting the footprint of a genius and naturally gifted artist - but the manufacture is trying to give to the world something new, something different, and I personally think we need to embrace this. AP is creative here, and as JCB has put it, "...creativity is life..."

My take is that Code 11.59 surfaces a new, fresh look of a manufacture that had to inject us with something new. It was about time, and we should applaud them for that, at least until we see and try the new line hands on.
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Old 14 January 2019, 10:00 AM   #45
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Looking at this pic, I’m going to say it, I actually really think it’s a beautiful design

Yes, I’m SS, this would be very nice. A beautiful watch.


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Old 14 January 2019, 10:41 AM   #46
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Old 14 January 2019, 05:48 PM   #47
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Old 14 January 2019, 07:30 PM   #48
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FHB just had a live interview with Revolution. It seems he was the one who pushed for the design behind the code, at least the face. He said he asked the watchmakers to make the watch without a bezel, and to be able to apply the logo on the dial. Watchmakers were hesitant to do so but he insisted.

I think we shouldn't justify bad design if it's bad design. Photo or real life, a watch design should be pleasing to the eye however you look at it. The case is beautiful, and the face of the watch is the really off-putting part. You make a case that is very technical to produce, and yet the wearer doesn't see that intricacy and the angles when looking at the time. All they see is a round shape. It's neither form over function, nor function over form, it's a design flaw. It's a waste of hard work. I'm surprised they didn't catch this during the design process. Granted this line is new, so there is still time to turn things around.
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Old 14 January 2019, 07:33 PM   #49
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another way to look at it is the AP for people who might not otherwise like AP. Thats not a bad thing either, because a lot of people don't like the RO design. Its a completely different buyer probably.

I still think the new line is a better compliment to the AP catalogue than the Cellini is to Rolex. I would never ever buy a Cellini
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Old 14 January 2019, 09:04 PM   #50
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From the poll around 80% of the real watch lovers dislikes this watch -first impressions- maybe this will change over time, but I don’t think AP or any other company would like to receive this -ve impressions or sarcasm on their new born baby.

I think introducing a bazel, changing the numerals font and size and changing the handles could put this new line in a better position. I know taste differs from one person to another, but from this poll sample the majority dislikes this line -at least for now-.
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Old 14 January 2019, 09:19 PM   #51
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Also change the date from 4:30 to 7:30 :))
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Plan B, as ever, slap some Breguet numerals on it instead. And make the sec@6 subdial for the SS. Then this will play.
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Old 14 January 2019, 09:37 PM   #53
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It would have been cool to have had an internal octagonal bezel on the 11:59.

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Then you’d have cries that they’d copied Bvlgari’s Octo.
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New Live interview with AP CEO thou it didn’t change my mind

https://youtu.be/0Ltc-u2dusg
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Old 14 January 2019, 11:02 PM   #55
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Simple ones and chrono don't look great, but MR and perpetual look quite awesome from the pics!
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Old 15 January 2019, 12:26 AM   #56
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Then you’d have cries that they’d copied Bvlgari’s Octo.


Yes good point !

They can’t really win, as any as of yet totally new & unseen design would be so out there, it couldn’t really be called a dress watch anymore.

It’s always easy to second guess and comment after the fact, but if they have spent this long in development, then for sure a part of that should have been consumer testing of some form or another, so presumably positive and negative reactions have been taken into account.
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Old 15 January 2019, 04:14 AM   #58
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All I have to say is that date window really destroyed the watch. It made it look like a cheap knock off.

Other than that, it's pretty indifferent. It had great potential. Why can't AP just make it traditional, timeless, time only. 41mm is way too large for this dress piece. I think the correct size would be 38-39mm perfect. Scaling the watch lower also makes the watch feel and look different. The MR is the perfect look imo.

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Anyone else notice that AP is increasing their font sizes for everything?
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Old 15 January 2019, 05:50 AM   #59
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41mm is way too large for this dress piece. I think the correct size would be 38-39mm perfect. Scaling the watch lower also makes the watch feel and look different. The MR is the perfect look.
I don’t know why they didn’t decrease the diameter although other brands known by their big sizes like Panarai and IWC have decreased many of their new watchs!!
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Old 15 January 2019, 09:12 AM   #60
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MVMT/DW/Vincero called, they want their design back...5+ yrs for design/planning..etc and this is the best you can come up with? Hold onto your AP RO tight, that will be the one hit wonder that will keep on ticking for long while..
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