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26 May 2023, 02:55 AM | #61 | |
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Do you not agree that VC and Lange are putting out good product? I will leave Panerai out of the discussion. :)
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26 May 2023, 06:10 AM | #63 | |
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The product is a matter of taste of course, as is everything, but you can’t argue with the quality in my experience. So what’s the issue? I mean what you do have an admirable collection of according to your footer is AP, a brand that, while I really love it from an irrational point of view, is known among other things for pairing often questionable quality with piss poor service at their AP houses. So again, what am I missing?
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26 May 2023, 06:20 AM | #64 | |
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While I enjoy your post and agree with many aspects, although the service at Lange and VC would fall off a cliff if they had Patek like demand, I can’t help but imagine you saying this in the voice of Mr. Lebowski
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26 May 2023, 06:32 AM | #65 |
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Haha, liked your style already but this crowns it, nice one my friend, that thought really had me laugh
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26 May 2023, 06:45 AM | #66 | |
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Haha! But in response, I will say, “Maybe”. We don’t know what we don’t know - how VC (or ALS) would handle a surge in servicing. And to be fair, Patek isn’t always great with their servicing, and it certainly takes a long, long time. What we do know is VC now offers an extended 8-year warranty (versus Patek’s laughable 2-year), and that is an impressive statement of standing behind one’s product.
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26 May 2023, 06:48 AM | #67 |
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I'd say it's marketing and necessary for them to differentiate so to achieve penetrance. They're not doing it out of the goodness of their heart (this is Richemont that we're talking about, afterall!).
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There will be no difference in the product which will surely remain excellent. The big difference is writing down/liquidating inventory and the effect on resale values. When the Richemont brands had to destroy a bunch of inventory and write it down a few years ago it was reported in their financials and hurt resale values, AP/Patek can do whatever they want with inventory and no one will know about it. |
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26 May 2023, 06:57 AM | #69 | |
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Panerai with some of their movement offerings is just taking the piss.
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26 May 2023, 07:00 AM | #70 |
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I honestly believe that you may have an erroneous sense of how Richemont works as a „system“. It is still very much driven by one person and that person, I am led to believe, has a particular soft spot for Lange in particular and VC as well. That’s also why these two brands enjoy a lot more freedom than the others within the group.
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26 May 2023, 07:25 AM | #72 | |
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In both cases though, service is less about what watch they are willing to sell you and more about how they tell you why you're not getting it. Lange here is very open and friendly about where one may stand in the process. AP just ghosts people and treats them with obvious disdain. I know of a few in a few different locations, so I know I'm not alone with that experience.
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26 May 2023, 07:53 AM | #73 | |
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I was referring more to the fact that you wouldn’t feel like VC and Lange salespeople were taking great care of you if they had pieces as in demand as the nautilus, aquanaut, RO etc I think we got a taste of it already. The first second Lange boutiques had 5 minutes of fame they started demanding bundles like they were an unscrupulous Patek AD in Spain lol
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We should also look at how the VC boutiques have handled the Overseas allocation in an extremely fair and chronological manner since the minute that became a sought after piece.
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I will do the experiment later this summer, and inquire about a 222 and report back. That VC boutique was indeed quite friendly when Overseas could be gotten as walk-in purchases.
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True, though Lange and VC are rather hot and have kept a steady climb so those are pretty strong even still. Panerai...well yeah thats a flop now and def accredited to lack luster excitement and overproduction AND overpriced. |
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I totally agree! Appointment set in certain AP boutiques where some don’t reply for confirmation. But some do. So it is a hit and miss thing. VC is far easier to deal with especially with their Overseas model. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Sure but that lasted about 12 months. You can get any overseas you want for close to msrp and tax or less now. Most are discounted. While it’s arguably better constructed than its contemporaries it doesn’t hold a candle to the genta rivals in terms of demand. Regardless for an everyday wear I’d say it’s the best of the lot. The YG 222 is probably the only one that’s well above msrp and I predict that won’t last long. VC might be second place behind breguet in terms of brands that are, for better or worse, poorly managed from a business perspective relative to their peers. Patek probably has 20-30 SKUs that are more in demand than the most desirable VC (222) and it’s been that way for going on 6 years.
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New video introducing her. Very interested to see where this goes
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1CfL...RlODBiNWFlZA==
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I felt the video was done very well. Ilaria Resta appears approachable and will likely be a steady hand to take the brand forward, hopefully with less emphasis on celebrities and just focus on the heritage of AP.
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My hope and expectation is that she will introduce modern retakes of vintage classics. AP has a rich historical catalog to draw from and the timing is right as time to move beyond RO.
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But FHB tried that already (Remaster01) and people weren't exactly lining up to buy them - the Remaster01 are excellent value used now.
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They told me I had to buy a relationship piece first (after buying two Cartier Santos when I was in the store asking).
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hoping for a migration from 41mm back to 39mm
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