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24 May 2020, 01:30 PM | #31 |
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The best outcome we could realistically expect at this point is for the Patek AD to draft up a contract that says a customer is guaranteed a Nautilus/Aquanaut by a certain date because of their bundle purchase made that day in the store. But this requires Patek HQ to actually coordinate production and reliable delivery to ADs that will need them on time.
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24 May 2020, 05:41 PM | #32 |
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FYI, in my country if you want to buy :
Aquanaut, you need to bundle with $50,000 watch Nautilus, you need to bundle with $100,000 watches Worldtime 5231J, you need to bundle with $170,000 watches |
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See what you can buy with ability to flip for the lowest possible loss. Selling right now is going to be brutal tbh, as some on other threads are attesting to. Else get creative and see what other deals he’s open to.
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+1. The 5167R is 37k, factor in sales tax and you are right around 40k. You can get them fairly easily for 48k and below. Unless you just have to have your name on the papers and are ok dropping another 50k on a piece you don't really want, it's an awful deal. Shame dealers get away with this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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24 May 2020, 10:47 PM | #36 |
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Frankly, the “bundle” at least seems to guarantee that the buyer receives the sports model. The “buy 1 or 2 and then we’ll see” approach, leaves the buyer hanging...
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25 May 2020, 07:24 PM | #40 |
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It is not a bad thing if the rules are clear, at least you are in control and making decision after you have seen the AD’s card.
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25 May 2020, 10:11 PM | #42 |
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Been the unsolicited beneficiary of this. My wife ends up buying me shirts and shoes to get her birkin or kelly. They even do this now for other lower tier bags. Forgot what theyre called.
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Real quick, why is the 5231J so expensive compared to cheaper worldtimers? I thought they all had the same complication (which isn't likely).
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Called Patek in Switzerland, who forwarded me to their Geneva shop for some reason. According to her, the Geneva shop does not do bundling yet they are aware of the practice. You need to call Patek in Switzerland and report this dealer +41 (22) 8842020 who is forcing bundling deals. Thank you.
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I was told by an AD, who has been fully on the up and up with me for everything that Patek does want people to have a track record and passionate enthusiasm with Patek first, and AD or Boutique Patek proper before being able to buy the models they know will sell in 2 seconds on an open market at a profit. TBH, I don't mind this...it does keep the allure up and guess what, it's their business to do so as they'd like! Is it annoying, oh yeah...is it what it is? Yep...so play the game, buy a few things that are still nice that you'd enjoy and then you get to order the ones you really really want...or just go grey.
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27 May 2020, 03:34 AM | #51 |
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Only a few years ago, you could walk into an AD and buy a 5167R with a decent discount with no previous purchase history!
Most ADs had a difficult time selling PM Nautilus/Aquanaut back then. How times have changed |
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I don't really know why but I absolutely love these threads. barely ever is there anything new to learn but I devour them nonetheless. Maybe it's because I feel the revolutionary spirit of members like @enjoythemusic who actually pick up the phone and want things to change - i applaud you but nothing will happen ...
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27 May 2020, 12:00 PM | #55 |
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Lots of beautiful (dress) Pateks sitting in cases...if you just want the Aquanaut I’d go gray - and may be even cheaper if you can wait a few months...
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27 May 2020, 01:12 PM | #57 |
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They all do this to varying degrees, some are just more subtle about it.
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27 May 2020, 01:24 PM | #58 |
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I visited Geneva salon last year. They pretty much said you really have to be a local to get hot pieces. After some conversation, they showed me a $50k baguette diamond money clip. if you buy this one, I will put your name on a wait list of 5980/1r but no guarantee. Just a wait list.
Bundling is an official practice now imo. Most ADs have a hard time selling non-sport models and the proportion of sport models vs non-sport models they receive per calendar year is not 1:1. To be fair, some grand complication pieces have to bundle with 2 sport models, or else they won't sell. To name a few, 5204, sky moon 6102, 6104. Not to mention 5159, 5496, 5327...etc. You will notice every AD has a considerable number of unsold pieces sitting in their windows and bundling pieces presumably are all gone. In order to do a clearance, all I can think of if a current situation persists, AD can only wait for the next round of sport model allocation and bundle with it. Don't expect things to go easy. Maybe some ADs have a passion towards you personally, then you are lucky. In most cases, it's very unlikely this practice will change any time soon. |
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That is what they told me as well when I went there last year to try on 5740 and 5968. All smiles as I didn't expect a different answer and still a great experience all around. They took lots of time, showed me what I wanted to see and then some, and gave me a tour of the house.
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It was very disappointing for me, especially since I came there on my birthday and left feeling very let down. I then waited a bit as I had other priorities and finally decided to ask my ad for the 64 last January 2020 and he came though only a month after. Lesson learned for me to stick with my ad as this was the 3rd time he came through for me and I never should have "cheated" on him in the first place |
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