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ecdc · 25 June 2019, 06:35 AM

15 or 20 years ago, an FBI agent named Robert Hanssen was arrested (and subsequently convicted) for being a Russian spy. Among the things that the Russians supposedly gave him in payment for his spying were two Rolexes.

According to the indictment, the two Rolexes had the serial numbers L859772 and R16710A30B9315/E458859.

The International Spy Museum in DC has an exhibit about Hanssen. Included as part of it is what's labeled "Hanssen's Rolex, ca. 1990." I have no reason to doubt the provenance of the watch; it's part of a world-class museum with a robust curatory staff.

Hanssen's Rolex on display is supposed to be a SD 4000, which I guess is intended to be a triple 6 based on the matte dial and painted indexes. But take a look at it. Can we count the things wrong with it? And do either of those serial numbers correlate with what this Sea Dweller is supposed to be?

Monte Cristo · 25 June 2019, 06:54 AM

It has been specially modified by the KGBs equivalent of Q branch

shirtguy · 25 June 2019, 06:54 AM

cyclop
no index after 15

Solo118 · 25 June 2019, 06:57 AM

Hanssen got taken for a ride on this one

csaltphoto · 25 June 2019, 07:00 AM

What's that old expression? No honor among thieves?

One fugly rep.

What is up with the crown touching the 12 index? That super short hour hand? The font on Rolex?

And then there is the obvious stuff.

Mr.Rolex1 · 25 June 2019, 07:10 AM

Doesn't look good but it may just have a bunch of aftermarket parts

the bezel, hands, and date wheel look wrong

Greg 59 · 25 June 2019, 07:52 AM

Pierce Brosnan probably stole the authentic model and replaced it with the fake

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Steerpike999 · 25 June 2019, 07:53 AM

I wonder if the Bezel spins at high speed and can cut rope / wire?

axl911 · 25 June 2019, 07:55 AM

Does it shoot laser, have rotating bezel that cut ropes, can unzip ladies dress with magnet?

If not, then it’s a FAKE!

schoolboy · 25 June 2019, 08:04 AM

Are you serious?

If so, that’s insane.

Chaching · 25 June 2019, 08:29 AM

It’s fake!

donq · 25 June 2019, 08:32 AM

Lousy Russians!

Giving out fake watches to foreign agents...
It’s like they are untrustworthy or something.

thesharkfactor · 25 June 2019, 08:37 AM

That is 100% fake. Russians either gave him a fake Rolex, or the curator has put a (pretty shoddy) look-a-like on display.

thesharkfactor · 25 June 2019, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecdc

L859772 and R16710A30B9315/E458859.

R16710A30B9315/E458859 ... this is an E serial GMT (with a 93150 oyster bracelet). L859772 I guess is an L serial something..you say it was a Seadweller but the watch pictured is junk...

JohnGT3RS · 25 June 2019, 08:42 AM

The KGB had to use a fake, because they are still waiting for one from their AD.

1665fan · 25 June 2019, 08:45 AM

Lol what a joke and what idiots all of them

1665fan · 25 June 2019, 08:46 AM

First replica to make it into a museum lol

NoVaSubowner · 25 June 2019, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

That is 100% fake. Russians either gave him a fake Rolex, or the curator has put a (pretty shoddy) look-a-like on display.

I would be careful about accusing the curator of this museum of intentionally displaying a fake. I think the real story is that the Russians gave Hansson a fake but the museum itself may not be aware.

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ecdc · 25 June 2019, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schoolboy

Are you serious?

If so, that’s insane.

Yes, everything I posted is true.

inadeje · 25 June 2019, 09:00 AM

He was foolish to spy for the enemy and, even worse, he seemed even more foolish to be bribed with a $10 fake made in some Moscow back alley

inadeje · 25 June 2019, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnGT3RS

The KGB had to use a fake, because they are still waiting for one from their AD.

FreshPrince14 · 25 June 2019, 09:29 AM

Hahahaha this is mental!

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tkc324 · 25 June 2019, 10:00 AM

The Russians didn’t even bother contact their good friends in China for high quality fakes... looks to me these Russians went straight to ny canal street and found the cheapest dump they could find...

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25 June 2019, 06:54 AM	#3
shirtguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ny Watch: sub-c Date Posts: 1,294	cyclop no index after 15

25 June 2019, 06:57 AM	#4
Solo118 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 6,064	Hanssen got taken for a ride on this one

25 June 2019, 07:00 AM	#5
csaltphoto "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: US Watch: sub Posts: 2,310	What's that old expression? No honor among thieves? One fugly rep. What is up with the crown touching the 12 index? That super short hour hand? The font on Rolex? And then there is the obvious stuff.

25 June 2019, 07:10 AM	#6
Mr.Rolex1 Banned Join Date: Apr 2019 Real Name: Mike Location: San Diego, CA Watch: Submariner Posts: 1,197	Doesn't look good but it may just have a bunch of aftermarket parts the bezel, hands, and date wheel look wrong

25 June 2019, 07:52 AM	#7
Greg 59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Australia Posts: 876	Pierce Brosnan probably stole the authentic model and replaced it with the fake Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

25 June 2019, 07:53 AM	#8
Steerpike999 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Melbourne Watch: A few..... Posts: 911	I wonder if the Bezel spins at high speed and can cut rope / wire?

25 June 2019, 07:55 AM	#9
axl911 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Texas Posts: 170	Does it shoot laser, have rotating bezel that cut ropes, can unzip ladies dress with magnet? If not, then it’s a FAKE!

25 June 2019, 08:04 AM	#10
schoolboy Banned Join Date: Nov 2017 Real Name: Jesus Location: Texas Watch: 116234 Posts: 8,721	Are you serious? If so, that’s insane.

25 June 2019, 08:29 AM	#11
Chaching "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: None of ya #@! Location: Somewhere Watch: Many! 116718 GOLD Posts: 2,137	It’s fake!

25 June 2019, 08:32 AM	#12
donq "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dallas tx Watch: 16610,1675,16030 Posts: 1,135	Lousy Russians! Giving out fake watches to foreign agents... It’s like they are untrustworthy or something.

25 June 2019, 08:37 AM	#13
thesharkfactor "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland Watch: GMT Posts: 3,530	That is 100% fake. Russians either gave him a fake Rolex, or the curator has put a (pretty shoddy) look-a-like on display.

25 June 2019, 08:42 AM	#15
JohnGT3RS "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Atlanta Posts: 160	The KGB had to use a fake, because they are still waiting for one from their AD.

25 June 2019, 08:45 AM	#16
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,620	Lol what a joke and what idiots all of them

25 June 2019, 08:46 AM	#17
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,620	First replica to make it into a museum lol

25 June 2019, 09:29 AM	#22
FreshPrince14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: TRF Watch: 16710 & 6694 Posts: 791	Hahahaha this is mental! Sent from my CLT-L09 using Tapatalk

25 June 2019, 10:00 AM	#23
tkc324 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Chi town Watch: Daytona AP DD Sub Posts: 3,717	The Russians didn’t even bother contact their good friends in China for high quality fakes... looks to me these Russians went straight to ny canal street and found the cheapest dump they could find...

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