1675 MK? Genuine?

[ADINVA]

Hi All,

I come across photos of this 1675 which I am questioning whether it is a genuine GMT Master 1675. My doubts are:

1) The letters "LE" in ROLEX are spaced closer to each other than the rest of the letters. This would make this either MK 0 or MK II. It does not appear like MK II because the SCOC does not appear consistent.
2) The "Swiss - T < 25" stretches over 5 lines but this does not appear like a gilt dial.
3) The "6" in "16" of the insert appears fake?

Could someone shed some light on whether this is a genuine 1675. Pardon the poor quality of the photos.

Have a wonderful weekend!

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[springer]

Refinished dial.

[swaini3]

Haven't seen a GMT with lume plots like that

[ADINVA]

Thanks JP and Mo. This explains why I could not find a dial variation that is similar to the ones in the photos. Have a great and wonderful weekend.

[TimeToGo]

Just to check it further.
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Can you get a high resolution picture of the dial unobstructed?
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Plexi has lots of scratches making it look distorted.
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Compare to this version of the Gilt Dial,which can address your numbered "1 and 2" concerns of the dial:

https://gmtmaster1675.com/type-c/
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[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Just to check it further.
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Can you get a high resolution picture of the dial unobstructed?
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Plexi has lots of scratches making it look distorted.
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Compare to this version of the Gilt Dial,which can address your numbered "1 and 2" concerns of the dial:

https://gmtmaster1675.com/type-c/
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Will do. Will take a look to see if this is a gilt dial. Cheers.

[TimeToGo]

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Also, what is the year of production (partial serial) and if you know year stamp on caseback...

[springer]

With further examination and magnification, and overlooking the poor photography and some of the crystal issues, I now believe this dial is not refinished but an original, early GMT 1675 white-lettered dial. Also, I did not see any indication under magnification that this is a gilt dial based on the last couple of photos posted by Advina. The fonts all appear white.

Additionally, when comparing Advina's dial with the Mark 0 GMT dial, the dial coronet and font alignments are like those found on the early Mark 0 GMT dial - therefore I believe this is a very early GMT 1675 dial referred to as a Mark 0.

Here is a link from the GMTforum.com detailing the Mark 0 dial. If you compare this dial to the last variation of the gilt GMT dial they appear similar except that one is gilt and the Mark 0 has white lettering.

Below are two links: one link is to the last variation of the GMT 1675 gilt dial (identified as G-5) and the other link is to the GMT 1675 Mark 0 dial.

https://gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?f...683df23ceb970f

https://gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?f...683df23ceb970f

[swaini3]

Springer,
The MK0 is diff from OP's dial. (See the markers vs SWISS T<25). The gilt dial you show (G5) is closer to OP's dial. However, look at the curve on the 12 triangle and the other pic below showing alignment. This is either a refinished dial or a dial we have not seen before. I say we have not seen before because the writing on the dial is very close to your G5 and the one Time to go posted (judging with a scratched crystal ofcourse). Im leaning towards refinished unless OP provides clearer pics. Thoughts?

[springer]

Mo, Advina's dial does seem to mimic the swiss t<25 closer with the gilt dial I refer to as G-5. I don't know, everything else looks the same on font alignments between the gilt and the Mark 0, but, it will take a lot of convincing for me to call Advina's dial gilt. It appears white to me.

[ADINVA]

Thanks to all and I trust we are all enjoying the weekend.

I will try to get more photos to determine if this is a genuine or refinished dial.

One question: Assuming this is a MK 0 G-5, would it be possible to have it in white lettering instead of a gilt dial? Doesn't "T <25" spreading across 5 markers appear inconsistent?

[springer]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Thanks to all and I trust we are all enjoying the weekend.

I will try to get more photos to determine if this is a genuine or refinished dial.

One question: Assuming this is a MK 0 G-5, would it be possible to have it in white lettering instead of a gilt dial? Doesn't "T <25" spreading across 5 markers appear inconsistent?

Let's get some decent photos and go from there. That would be nice indeed.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Thanks to all and I trust we are all enjoying the weekend.

I will try to get more photos to determine if this is a genuine or refinished dial.

One question: Assuming this is a MK 0 G-5, would it be possible to have it in white lettering instead of a gilt dial? Doesn't "T <25" spreading across 5 markers appear inconsistent?

Yes, Singer 5 ticks (across 5 minute markers) are not consistent with T25 Singer gilt dial.... and it's not looking like a white either - I suspect a repaint for the other factors also pointed out by others.

[5iiood]

It doesn't look real to me

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by 5iiood

It doesn't look real to me

Really?

Keen to hear why or you just trying to bump up your post count....

[shedlock2000]

You guys attention to detail continually impresses me. I am an engineer by trade, and so I am supposed to be used to this kind of tiny differences (albeit in terms of surface finish etc.) but you guys are killing it!

Unlikely, but it would be lovely if OP had a unique dial no-one had seen before!


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[ADINVA]

Dear All,

The seller refuses to provide more photos despite repeated requests. Appears to me like it is probably a parts-watch. The case, as claimed by the seller, is 1969 with a 16750 quick-set 3075-calibre movement.

It does pay to focus on the details.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Dear All,

The seller refuses to provide more photos despite repeated requests. Appears to me like it is probably a parts-watch. The case, as claimed by the seller, is 1969 with a 16750 quick-set 3075-calibre movement.

It does pay to focus on the details.

The hand-stack appears to be correct for a 1675, so I have doubts that the seller knows what he is talking about. Still, sometimes you just have to walk away.

[TuRo]

I'm even more inclined to opine it's a fake piece, if the engine is in question too - he/she I suspect will not provide engravings for sure ! Run for them there hills ....