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Old 6 March 2020, 02:24 PM   #931
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I went to target to pick up some stuff and lysol was completely gone.


I Lysol wiped my client site work area today before sitting down. Other people were walking around with napkins to open doors, definitely starting to feel a change.


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I don't know anyone personally who has or has had the Convid-19 but right now, may have been exposed due to colleagues who went to Italy and came back.
At the time they came back the Massachusettess Department of Public Health did not have the mandatory 14 Day self-quarantine in place.
This just took affect yesterday. Too little too late. In a situation like this, who do you blame?
No symptoms, no one thinks anything about.
I have no symptoms, some do, but seems to be regular flu like symptoms. The Convid is more respiratory.
I live on the east coast and seems to be more prevalent on the west.
It is kind of upsetting to say the least, just thinking of all those if I was to be infected, I came into contact with and whom I may have unknowingly exposed it too.
Again I think I am fine as well as my colleagues.
It is a thought that lingers though subconsciously for sure.
I personally think it is unfair to point and or call out an entire race.
I would just like to see just who and or what was responsible.
In the mean time I think this will be around for a while.
Wash your hands and do not touch your face.
I imagine the Inovio scientists are on this trying to come up with a vaccine. They got the SARS vaccine in 3 hours and had it manufactured in about a month.

P.S. The media is not helping at all.

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Whether the virus is overblown by the media or not, there definitely will be economic ramifications. Conventions are being cancelled. Business flights are restricted. Etc. etc. And this is just in my industry. I imagine itís the same across many others.



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Old 6 March 2020, 03:58 PM   #934
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Whether the virus is overblown by the media or not, there definitely will be economic ramifications. Conventions are being cancelled. Business flights are restricted. Etc. etc. And this is just in my industry. I imagine it’s the same across many others.



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I was talking to some colleagues about this today and the general thought is, if the spread of this virus does indeed last an extended period of time and cause cancellations of numerous conventions, that might be a nail in the coffin for many of them.

Companies will realize they aren’t necessary (like Basel) and they are for the most part antiquated. Even going to an “office” is being questioned as being necessary anymore...as long as it’s not DOD Top Secret stuff, just work out of home on a VPN...no more timewasting commutes and need to support an office like in the “olden” days...

Some Old time employees love conventions as it gives them time away from the family and they can get absolutely hammered every night and act like they did at their frat, but it seems the younger employees really couldn’t care less about them. Just do a quick teleconference dealio and get on with it. So wasteful! Time will tell of course.
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It definitely took some time to blow up in the media... It slowly gained momentum and now it's at full speed.

Infections are increasing in Europe. Slowing in Asia. Let's see what number we will hit. I believe 250,000 until the warm weather is upon us, effectively killing the virus.

When the winter comes along it (or another strain) will pop up again and the cycle continues.
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And thatís a shame. If the stock market continues doing what itís doing millions of people will lose their jobs and I predict we will lose more people to suicide then we will this virus. Economic depression causes many deaths.

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I was talking to some colleagues about this today and the general thought is, if the spread of this virus does indeed last an extended period of time and cause cancellations of numerous conventions, that might be a nail in the coffin for many of them.

Companies will realize they arenít necessary (like Basel) and they are for the most part antiquated. Even going to an ďofficeĒ is being questioned as being necessary anymore...as long as itís not DOD Top Secret stuff, just work out of home on a VPN...no more timewasting commutes and need to support an office like in the ďoldenĒ days...

Some Old time employees love conventions as it gives them time away from the family and they can get absolutely hammered every night and act like they did at their frat, but it seems the younger employees really couldnít care less about them. Just do a quick teleconference dealio and get on with it. So wasteful! Time will tell of course.
Great point. Iím in the HVAC industry. We just had our worldwide convention in Orlando one month ago. 80,000 people showed up from all over the world including China. I have to agree with you about the younger generations feelings towards conventions. Theyíre just not into it. However I donít think they will be canceling this convention anytime soon even though I have doubts as to how much progress/ sales is made at them.


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It definitely took some time to blow up in the media... It slowly gained momentum and now it's at full speed.

Infections are increasing in Europe. Slowing in Asia. Let's see what number we will hit. I believe 250,000 until the warm weather is upon us, effectively killing the virus.

When the winter comes along it (or another strain) will pop up again and the cycle continues.
So do you think the news media will flip out all over again next year when the virus makes a come back because it will make a come back? I donít think they will. Next year wonít be as important as this year to make a big deal out of it. Besides thereís a possibility the media will have a vested interest in making the economy do well next year.

Meanwhile from everything we see is absolutely zero reason to overreact and be fearful at this point. Pay attention? Yes. Take precautions like personal hygiene? Yes, but we should already be doing that because of the flu and other viruses and I personally have. Live in fear, completely change our lifestyle, sell off all our stock and clear the shelves of toilet paper in Costco??? Of course not. Right now in my opinion the only people that should be considering changing their lifestyle would be the elderly or people with health problems. If I were in that category I would definitely alter where I went for a while and be more cautious until the season has passed. My mother is one of those people who has COPD at the age of 78 and she does that anyway every year during flu season.
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So do you think the news media will flip out all over again next year when the virus makes a come back because it will make a come back? I donít think they will. Next year wonít be as important as this year to make a big deal out of it. Besides thereís a possibility the media will have a vested interest in making the economy do well next year.

Meanwhile from everything we see is absolutely zero reason to overreact and be fearful at this point. Pay attention? Yes. Take precautions like personal hygiene? Yes, but we should already be doing that because of the flu and other viruses and I personally have. Live in fear, completely change our lifestyle, sell off all our stock and clear the shelves of toilet paper in Costco??? Of course not. Right now in my opinion the only people that should be considering changing their lifestyle would be the elderly or people with health problems. If I were in that category I would definitely alter where I went for a while and be more cautious until the season has passed. My mother is one of those people who has COPD at the age of 78 and she does that anyway every year during flu season.
Depends if there's something bigger and better to write about.

Let's hope Covid19 is dead forever just like SARS, but I have a feeling it may linger around for the next seasonal flu...Or a modification of the current one.

It's just a lesson to wash our hands after we stand there and take a pee-pee. I've seen many people walk out without washing their hands
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Have our immune systems become weaker due to being overly sanitary? Not sure just thinking out loud


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Have our immune systems become weaker due to being overly sanitary? Not sure just thinking out loud
I think it's more of a case of some people in the world eating cats, dogs, pangolins, civets, bats, snakes, toads, rats, mice and various other things.... some of which are actually eaten alive.

It would be nice to think they might reflect on how these bizarre and barbaric habits are linked to their economy tanking.
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Old 6 March 2020, 10:53 PM   #941
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The number of people who express more concern about the US stock market than Coronavirus is staggering. Weíve gone off the deep end as a nation when we value money over people as a blanket statement. Seems folks have been there for awhile and this situation is just bring it to light.

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Not weaker, but rather undeveloped. I believe that's what you're asking, so yes, kind of.




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When the winter comes along it (or another strain) will pop up again and the cycle continues.
Anyone noticed how quickly we've forgotten abut the "biggest measles outbreak in 70 years?" which was filling the news just months ago?
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I’m just curious as to what level of death, illness and economic disruption is worthy of being considered a real problem? Worthy of time in a news cycle? How many deaths from a new virulent organism lifts the epidemic to legitimate news status? How many factories shut down? And it seems that the fact that the elderly are more hard hit by the infection somehow lessens the impact. At least it’s only older people dying.
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And it seems that the fact that the elderly are more hard hit by the infection somehow lessens the impact. At least itís only older people dying.
We don't like to think of it in those terms because we all have loved ones in those age groups, but there is definitely some validity to it. If you look at some of the data, the Coronavirus is getting credit for killing people who have already lived past their life expectancy.
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I think the whole thing is overblown.
I'm pretty sure the people that died didn't think it was "overblown".
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I’m just curious as to what level of death, illness and economic disruption is worthy of being considered a real problem? Worthy of time in a news cycle? How many deaths from a new virulent organism lifts the epidemic to legitimate news status? How many factories shut down? And it seems that the fact that the elderly are more hard hit by the infection somehow lessens the impact. At least it’s only older people dying.
Seems the litmus test is the seasonal flu’s metrics, so until COVID-19 hits thousands dead...millions in hospitals...will the ”it’s still not as bad as the flu” goes away.

The “evidence-based” approach, is too reactive from my perspective.

That said, I am a nervous, anxious germaphobe, hypochondriac, open the bathroom door with towels, elbow elevator buttons, non-hugger, anti-bacteria type of guy.
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I'm pretty sure the people that died didn't think it was "overblown".
Many were old or had other severe complications. The death rate stats are pretty low.

1-9 0%
10-19 0.2%
20-29 0.2%
30-39 0.2%
40-49 0.4%
50-59 1.3%
60-69 3.6%
70-79 8%
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The number of people who express more concern about the US stock market than Coronavirus is staggering. Weíve gone off the deep end as a nation when we value money over people as a blanket statement. Seems folks have been there for awhile and this situation is just bring it to light.

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I think your mother made a very true observation.

If I may add an observation of my own...
The entire World is negatively impacted by the economic upheaval (some into bankruptcy or unemployment).

However, many fewer will contract COVID-19 and just a small percentage of them will lose their lives.

Therefore, itís natural to hear a lot about the economics - itís fear being projected in both cases, but everyone gets hurt to some degree either way.




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Many were old or had other severe complications. The death rate stats are pretty low.

1-9 0%
10-19 0.2%
20-29 0.2%
30-39 0.2%
40-49 0.4%
50-59 1.3%
60-69 3.6%
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80+ 14%
A 3.4% death rate is not low. That's 30 million people dead or 1/10th of the US population.
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A 3.4% death rate is not low. That's 30 million people dead or 1/10th of the US population.


While I agree it isnít low, the 3.4% isnít likely true because many people will contract the virus yet will never be treated for it . How many people a year get the flu and never go to the ER / doc/ urgent care ....The mortality rate is much higher than the regular flu w covid19 but the 3.4% is most likely way too high if one were to look at the whole pie.
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Mike Pompeo accuses China of set back coronavirus prevention efforts

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Yes, I saw the interview with Pompeo. His comments shouldnít lead us down that finger-pointing political debate here, though. TRF is above that and I like Steveís rules about avoiding political rhetoric.

As for the future of a coronavirus vaccine, we have enough cases ourselves in USA to get going on a genome to engineer a vaccine to attack the virus. Sure itíd be great to be 2 months ahead of where we are now, but it is what it is.


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BLAH BLAH BLAH, truth is nothing said in this thread is /will not going to change anything. The only truth known is COVID19 is a virus. How many deaths, how many have it, where it is, who's telling us about it, is anyone's guess.
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The number of people who express more concern about the US stock market than Coronavirus is staggering. Weíve gone off the deep end as a nation when we value money over people as a blanket statement. Seems folks have been there for awhile and this situation is just bring it to light.

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I have not seen one person say that on this thread.
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While I agree it isnít low, the 3.4% isnít likely true because many people will contract the virus yet will never be treated for it . How many people a year get the flu and never go to the ER / doc/ urgent care ....The mortality rate is much higher than the regular flu w covid19 but the 3.4% is most likely way too high if one were to look at the whole pie.
Iím not sure if saying WHOís numbers arenít true. Theyíre an evidenced based organization and that means a lot. They donít throw numbers out or swing on hunches. Theyíre extremely careful in publicly announcing any statistical information unless itís been truly validated under strict guidelines. Chinaís actions alone, literally brought to their knees was not an overreaction, that was done based on evidence (that we donít know.) And that was months before WHO was allowed to tour. China could have easily created a >1% narrative and let coronavirus take a natural course like the flu or cold. Think deeper and be logical and youíll begin to answer the questions. And the US media has two clear narratives, one driven by maintaining health and one driven by maintaining consumerism.
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The other observation is that the CDC and Dr. Anthony Fauci have been completely muzzled. If that doesn’t tell you anything nothing will.
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Missed opportunity....

Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.

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The number of people who express more concern about the US stock market than Coronavirus is staggering. We’ve gone off the deep end as a nation when we value money over people as a blanket statement. Seems folks have been there for awhile and this situation is just bring it to light.

“The world is going through a mean streak” - envuks ‘ mother quote from last weekend.

I hope we can pull ourselves together as a people.

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I have not seen one person say that on this thread.

I have and I havent gone back very far.



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And that’s a shame. If the stock market continues doing what it’s doing millions of people will lose their jobs and I predict we will lose more people to suicide then we will this virus. Economic depression causes many deaths.

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Exactly right. Nobody knows. I just wish we could all find out together without hyping it up and scaring everyone into a massive worldwide financial crisis. If things get as bad as some people feel they will then a financial crisis will happen on its own but we will feel pretty stupid if this is no worse than a regular flu but we destroy the economy anyway.

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Well if that’s true then it’s self caused. We might as well right? Since everyone’s going to get sick, and that’s inevitable, we might as well finish off the lower middle class and the poor with a good old fashion recession.

That was the chart I was referring to earlier. It looks almost identical to the flu.


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I don’t see that. I also don’t feel that personally. I’m concerned. Very. Just not enough (yet) to destroy the world economy. That will hurt a lot more people.

Let me ask you. Do you believe that millions of US infections and hundreds of thousands of US deaths is inevitable?

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Extremely well put. I just read in the New York Times (yes I survived reading one article from them) and what we are talking about is 87,000 cases worldwide with 7000 outside of China. 70 in the United States. I agree that panic causing a recession will do thousands of times more damage to the general public than a flu like virus. They should probably just shut the stock market down for a month until traders calm down. We just got out of a recession a few years ago. The economy is rocking like it never has before. How else could we be arguing about being able to get luxury watches that were extremely easy to get 3-4 years ago??? If we destroy all that on a hunch or more accurately, fear I wonder how the general public or feel about it this go around? They might get the long knives out for the elite top one percent this time.

I agree with Fleetlord. If we lose 40 to 50% of the stock market then massive layoffs will occur shortly after and then most definitely a very deep recession. Then all bets are off.
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What are you trying to say? Are you saying we shouldn’t sell the stock market down 30 to 50%? Are you saying we shouldn’t cancel every event that has more than 10 people in it? Are you saying we should live our lives as normal? Outrageous! Hardly anything interesting in that. Fear and disaster is the order of the day!!!! Especially this year.

Actually I agree with everything you wrote. But you won’t see anyone in the news media saying that.
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Those seem like flulike numbers from the chart in one of her tweets.

More people are going to be hurt the economy crashing from panic then this virus.:thumbsup:
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The other observation is that the CDC and Dr. Anthony Fauci have been completely muzzled. If that doesnít tell you anything nothing will.
That is total 100% BS. It should have no place on this thread.
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