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Old 19 March 2020, 09:55 PM   #2731
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I think face masks are a good idea either way (can't hurt), I just think the message here is for sick people only because there's a shortage.

I know they say the certain face masks won't necessarily prevent droplets from getting through, but think about it...wouldn't you rather have some barrier vs none? Would it lessen a chance of ingesting the virus? Even if a little?

Also, as Pickettt pointed out above... if we don't know who is sick and who is not, it would just be reasonable for everyone to wear one out in public as a precaution.
Thatís a good point. If everyone wore a mask and we truly practiced keeping our hands clean I would think we would significantly reduce transmitting this thing in public. Especially in places like grocery stores where we all have to visit from time to time regardless of how bad things get.
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Old 19 March 2020, 09:58 PM   #2732
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True and he wasnít expressing personal offense. Mountainjogger was only sharing an observation to help.

If itís helpful, think of this thread like an ďOfficer DownĒ thread with regard to someone saying ďprayers for the familyĒ or ďGodspeedĒ. That wouldnít be the time or place to question that posterís comment. Itís just a context thing.

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Starting to wonder if I might have misgivings about facing you in front of a jury. You do have a silver tongue. But you also speak from the heart with everyone's interest in mind.

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Old 19 March 2020, 10:01 PM   #2734
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A simple research would suggest youíre wrong on the healthcare system.
Your probably right.

But Iíd still take my chances with the US healthcare system.
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Old 19 March 2020, 10:04 PM   #2735
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And I bought two new Seikos! Look for an incoming in that thread tomorrow.
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I think face masks are a good idea either way (can't hurt), I just think the message here is for sick people only because there's a shortage.

I know they say the certain face masks won't necessarily prevent droplets from getting through, but think about it...wouldn't you rather have some barrier vs none? Would it lessen a chance of ingesting the virus? Even if a little?

Also, as Pickettt pointed out above... if we don't know who is sick and who is not, it would just be reasonable for everyone to wear one out in public as a precaution.
There isn’t any evidence that face masks for the general public are effective at curbing the spread of respiratory viruses. Of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of ineffectiveness. However they could theoretically be harmful.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9396811.html
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Old 19 March 2020, 10:12 PM   #2737
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There isn’t any evidence that face masks for the general public are effective at curbing the spread of respiratory viruses. Of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of ineffectiveness. However they could theoretically be harmful.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9396811.html
I've read this too, but it seems like a common thing in the Asian countries, those that seem to being doing seemingly OK with handling the virus, Hong Kong, Japan, etc.

It seems like that article highlights ways that it could be harmful with non careful use of the mask... but would it be reasonably to expect that it would be helpful with very careful use?
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Old 19 March 2020, 10:18 PM   #2738
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There isn’t any evidence that face masks for the general public are effective at curbing the spread of respiratory viruses. Of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of ineffectiveness. However they could theoretically be harmful.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9396811.html
With all due respect, the argument proposed by that article holds true for any object, not just masks. So, any object might be dangerous.
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40% of people now hospitalized in the US with Coronavirus are between the ages of 20 and 55 years old. Reported on NBC News, The Today Show, this morning.
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Old 19 March 2020, 10:22 PM   #2740
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I've read this too, but it seems like a common thing in the Asian countries, those that seem to being doing seemingly OK with handling the virus, Hong Kong, Japan, etc.

It seems like that article highlights ways that it could be harmful with non careful use of the mask... but would it be reasonably to expect that it would be helpful with very careful use?
It appears that the Asian countries doing relatively well are doing lots of things that we’re not doing or have been slow to do e.g. widespread testing and contact tracing which better explain their relative success than masks. Also, without wishing to appear to perpetuate ignorant stereotypes, I imagine the populations of those countries are more likely to follow the advice of their governments. We wouldn’t in a million years I suppose see Japanese flocking to the beaches like the Floridians pictured up-thread.

I suppose that the best you could say is if you’re going to wear disposable masks, change them frequently to avoid eventually wearing a moist germ sink. But that’s not possible because of the run on masks.

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With all due respect, the argument proposed by that article holds true for any object, not just masks. So, any object might be dangerous.
I suppose the point is, the wearing of masks is unlikely to make much difference to an individual or a population so it’s probably not worth worrying too much about.
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40% of people now hospitalized in the US with Coronavirus are between the ages of 20 and 55 years old.
Like an idiot I watched six straight hours of the news last night. I don’t recommend that for anyone. However nowhere once did anyone say anything even close to that. Do you mind posting a link sir? Thank you.

Also your post seems to say that every government on the planet has absolutely been lying to us all along.
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Old 19 March 2020, 10:28 PM   #2742
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Like an idiot I watched six straight hours of the news last night. I don’t recommend that for anyone. However nowhere once did anyone say anything even close to that. Do you mind posting a link sir? Thank you.

Also your post seems to say that every government on the planet has absolutely been lying to us all along.
Reported on The Today Show this morning, NBC News.
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Old 19 March 2020, 10:30 PM   #2743
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Thatís a good point. If everyone wore a mask and we truly practiced keeping our hands clean I would think we would significantly reduce transmitting this thing in public. Especially in places like grocery stores where we all have to visit from time to time regardless of how bad things get.
Maybe it works because The mask is a visual reminder to practice social distancing.
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Reported on The Today Show this morning, NBC News.
Iíve searched every major news website and every major newspaper and no one says that. Not saying itís not true but I would think that that would be the absolute biggest headline so far and would be plastered everywhere.

It would also mean that China, South Korea, Italy and all the other really bad places have been completely lying to us or itís just different here in the United States.
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I’ve searched every major news website and every major newspaper and no one says that. Not saying it’s not true but I would think that that would be the absolute biggest headline so far and would be plastered everywhere.

It would also mean that China, South Korea, Italy and all the other really bad places have been completely lying to us or it’s just different here in the United States.
Here is a link from the New York Times.

Young patient hospitalization rate
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Maybe it works because The mask is a visual reminder to practice social distancing.
Interesting thought. Certainly nothing says ďstay away from me, I might have the dreaded lurgyĒ quite like a chap donning a face mask on the Tube
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From a report issued by the CDC yesterday:

“....of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the CDC reported.”
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Here is a link from the New York Times.

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On masks, today I have a large front door unit being replaced. 2 in the crew.

Iím the one providing the masks and nitrile gloves because I have quality materials I used in motorsports. I know it might not seem necessary - but itís important the crew wears them.

Itís the stuff they may otherwise have expelled that a mask helps keep contained. Nothing is perfect. At best itís only 95% effective.








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Boy you wouldnít want to hear me chant, I have a terrible singing voice. I understand that you donít get my hope prayer, heck Iím not even sure its a correct term, I probably made it up myself. I donít know what to call it, it is my hope prayer (and belief) that medical science will come up with a cure, vaccine, whatever, to stop all those predicted hundreds of thousands from dying. Am I Naive? Probably, and that guy sure has a heck of a lot more knowledge on the subject then I do, if this were a thread about flying fighter jets in combat then I would have more informed opinion, but I still believe and if Iím proven wrong Iíll still hope. I donít know why anyone would want to contradict me, maybe itís an unrealistic goal but shouldnít everyone be hoping (praying, whatever) that my vision is true? I donít know why anyone wouldnít, or belittle me for it, but it is my way of coping. You are right about everyone having their peace ( I think you spelled it wrong peace versus piece, eh, either one works ) and thatís important here. And thank you for respecting my way of dealing with the stress of this, whatever yours is I wish you strength, if we all respect each otherís opinions and strive towards the goal of beating this virus (even if it is a far-reach to hope so) then we will all be better for it.

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I think we as a world are learning a major lesson about who the truly essential workers are in society. Healthcare workers, truckers, food service workers, grocers, gas station employees, sanitation workers, delivery employees, workers at the utility companies. They are the ones who allow us to continue life even during global catastrophe. My hat is tipped to all of them and to any of you on TRF keeping our world livable.
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If, wearing a mask prevents the involuntary touching of your face with unwashed hands, wearing a mask might just be a good thing.


God bless, all our health workers, putting themselves, directly in harms way for our benefit.
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I think we as a world are learning a major lesson about who the truly essential workers are in society. Healthcare workers, truckers, food service workers, grocers, gas station employees, sanitation workers, delivery employees, workers at the utility companies. They are the ones who allow us to continue life even during global catastrophe. My hat is tipped to all of them and to any of you on TRF keeping our world livable.
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And a less than desirable healthcare system.
This is totally false. Both statements are at least uninformed. We're not in the fifties of the last century, you know...
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I'm still stuck on this mask thing too. They say the mask doesn't prevent you from getting infected, but only prevents you from infecting someone else. However, if you can be asymptomatic and still infect others (as they say)...then EVERYONE should be wearing a mask since those who can infect others don't even know they can. It's simple to understand. So simple that... nevermind.

Thatís nonsense pedaled to hide the fact that we donít have enough masks or the capacity to make whatís needed in time.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9396811.html


Thatís nonsense as it basically says masks are no good because people wonít use them correctly. Ok well a simple 3 minute tutorial will allow people to understand they are one time use and not to touch them or your face.

Dr Michael Osterholm has stated clearly that n95 masks used properly are highly effective.
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This is totally false. Both statements are at least uninformed. We're not in the fifties of the last century, you know...


Yes Fabio, understandable response.

Folks - letís stop trying to make critical comments about this or that countryís facilities. Itís unhelpful and often uninformed.

Policies, governance, health systems, etc vary widely across the globe and are what the people in that country have instituted. Best to respect their pride in them rather than criticize even by innuendo.


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Thatís nonsense pedaled to hide the fact that we donít have enough masks or the capacity to make whatís needed in time.
I know that, thatís why I just abruptly cut off the rant I was about to go on.
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Anyone else find these posts on social media from celebrities patronising?!

Arnie giving isolation tips from his hot tub! Bless him, really suffering. His house is probably bigger than most peopleís neighbourhood! Try a one bed apartment!

Some having to use their own indoor pools for exercise, the sacrifice is incredible

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The TRF Coronavirus think tankers aren’t the only ones noticing about Japan:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...an-where-is-it

So cases in the West are blowing up and we can’t go to restaurants or have any gatherings..etc. Some areas people can’t leave the house other than for food or emergency.

Meanwhile, in Japan, people are going to work, still cramming into trains, but they have less than 1000 cases.....and they aren’t seeing a run on hospitals with a spike in pneumonia, so it’s not being classified as something else for optics..

Is it the masks? Lack of handshaking? Weather is cool and pretty dry...so I don’t see that being much help.

Also Look at Bangladesh. Dhaka is the epitome of overcrowding: they have 10 cases...10!!!

But it’s 100F there...

So much we don’t know yet.
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