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benji19 · 31 January 2018, 01:33 AM

Hello, I'm interested in buying this piece I found online. Does anyone know the authenticity of these piece and how to find out if it is authentic? It is a Datejust 1603 w/ a two tone Jubilee bracelet, with diamonds on the bezel and sapphire markings on the face. Thank you for any info.

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jjwalters3 · 31 January 2018, 02:06 AM

Not sure if this helps but the nearest I found was a 16013 on truefacet with the sapphires but with the diamond dial. https://www.truefacet.com/rolex-date...one-watch.html

benji19 · 31 January 2018, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jjwalters3

Not sure if this helps but the nearest I found was a 16013 on truefacet with the sapphires but with the diamond dial. https://www.truefacet.com/rolex-date...one-watch.html

Thank you, any info helps as I rarely purchase Rolex watches. It's much appreciated.

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Haywood_Milton · 31 January 2018, 02:13 AM

The bezel was NOT made by Rolex and is quite incorrect for this model.

The dial appears to have been, at best, modified.

There appear to be a number of dealers particularly in the USA who sell (and therefore presumably find a market for) lots of rather sad, old Rolex that they invigorate / upgrade / bastardise / ruin (your choice) with third party customisation.

H

Tom1675 · 31 January 2018, 02:35 AM

This forum has a taste for, discusses and rambles on about authentic, unmodified, vintage, which is not what you have here. That said, if you like this piece you should buy it, but from the perspective of this forum it will be difficult to get supporters.

SkyKing31 · 31 January 2018, 04:48 AM

It’s a real Rolex, but the dial and bezel are aftermarket. If you like it, buy it. It’s who who as to be happy when wearing your watch.

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offrdmania · 31 January 2018, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyKing31

It’s a real Rolex, but the dial and bezel are aftermarket. If you like it, buy it. It’s who who as to be happy when wearing your watch.

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I don’t think the dial is necessarily aftermarket, but a modified real dial with the addition of stones.

benji19 · 31 January 2018, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

The bezel was NOT made by Rolex and is quite incorrect for this model.

The dial appears to have been, at best, modified.

There appear to be a number of dealers particularly in the USA who sell (and therefore presumably find a market for) lots of rather sad, old Rolex that they invigorate / upgrade / bastardise / ruin (your choice) with third party customisation.

H

Thank you for the info

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benji19 · 31 January 2018, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom1675

This forum has a taste for, discusses and rambles on about authentic, unmodified, vintage, which is not what you have here. That said, if you like this piece you should buy it, but from the perspective of this forum it will be difficult to get supporters.

Thank you!

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benji19 · 31 January 2018, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyKing31

It’s a real Rolex, but the dial and bezel are aftermarket. If you like it, buy it. It’s who who as to be happy when wearing your watch.

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Thank you, I appreciate that

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benji19 · 31 January 2018, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

I don’t think the dial is necessarily aftermarket, but a modified real dial with the addition of stones.

I appreciate the info

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Vlad · 2 February 2018, 06:21 AM

Agree with others - bezel is after market. Dial ... don't know, definitely NOT 1603 (should not be yellow gold), could be redone, could be just diamonds added. How is it marked at the buttom? (SWISS T < 25 ... or SWISS MADE). I would lean towards redone/aftermarket, as I only have seen that color on 'purple/blue' Submariner dials.

Hands, could be Rolex, but not from this model.

Bracelet needs to be checked, as if other parts are not original to the watch, bracelet can be an aftermarket as well.

Case seems to be OK, would like to see the numbers between the lugs.

benji19 · 2 February 2018, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad

Agree with others - bezel is after market. Dial ... don't know, definitely NOT 1603 (should not be yellow gold), could be redone, could be just diamonds added. How is it marked at the buttom? (SWISS T < 25 ... or SWISS MADE). I would lean towards redone/aftermarket, as I only have seen that color on 'purple/blue' Submariner dials.

Hands, could be Rolex, but not from this model.

Bracelet needs to be checked, as if other parts are not original to the watch, bracelet can be an aftermarket as well.

Case seems to be OK, would like to see the numbers between the lugs.

I ended up passing this deal since it isn't all original. Thank you very much for all of the info on it, I appreciate it.

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crowncollection · 2 February 2018, 10:46 AM

Aftermarket bezel, likely band and altered dial

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benji19 · 4 February 2018, 05:17 AM

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Aftermarket bezel, likely band and altered dial

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Thank you

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31 January 2018, 01:33 AM	#1
benji19 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Indiana Posts: 55	Rolex Datejust 1603 identification Hello, I'm interested in buying this piece I found online. Does anyone know the authenticity of these piece and how to find out if it is authentic? It is a Datejust 1603 w/ a two tone Jubilee bracelet, with diamonds on the bezel and sapphire markings on the face. Thank you for any info. Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

31 January 2018, 02:13 AM	#4
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,319	The bezel was NOT made by Rolex and is quite incorrect for this model. The dial appears to have been, at best, modified. There appear to be a number of dealers particularly in the USA who sell (and therefore presumably find a market for) lots of rather sad, old Rolex that they invigorate / upgrade / bastardise / ruin (your choice) with third party customisation. H __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

31 January 2018, 04:48 AM	#6
SkyKing31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manalapan Florida Watch: Tridor Masterpiece Posts: 2,819	It’s a real Rolex, but the dial and bezel are aftermarket. If you like it, buy it. It’s who who as to be happy when wearing your watch. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ It's been said that money can never buy happiness which is true, but I'd rather cry while seated in the back of a Rolls Royce limousine instead crying while seated on a bicycle.

2 February 2018, 10:46 AM	#14
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	Aftermarket bezel, likely band and altered dial Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

31 January 2018, 02:06 AM	#2
jjwalters3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 33	Not sure if this helps but the nearest I found was a 16013 on truefacet with the sapphires but with the diamond dial. https://www.truefacet.com/rolex-date...one-watch.html

31 January 2018, 02:35 AM	#5
Tom1675 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Tom Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,172	This forum has a taste for, discusses and rambles on about authentic, unmodified, vintage, which is not what you have here. That said, if you like this piece you should buy it, but from the perspective of this forum it will be difficult to get supporters.

2 February 2018, 06:21 AM	#12
Vlad "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 813	Agree with others - bezel is after market. Dial ... don't know, definitely NOT 1603 (should not be yellow gold), could be redone, could be just diamonds added. How is it marked at the buttom? (SWISS T < 25 ... or SWISS MADE). I would lean towards redone/aftermarket, as I only have seen that color on 'purple/blue' Submariner dials. Hands, could be Rolex, but not from this model. Bracelet needs to be checked, as if other parts are not original to the watch, bracelet can be an aftermarket as well. Case seems to be OK, would like to see the numbers between the lugs.

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