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9 April 2020, 08:54 AM | #31 |
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9 April 2020, 09:50 AM | #32 |
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For those in doubt... you'll see. It's happening already. And it will only get worse. We are just at the beginning of the recession. And it will mostly be for the SS sport models since they are the most overpriced.
As an aside: I received a text message TODAY from an AD offering a brand new at MSRP a) SS Deep Sea, b) 2 tone black dial Sub, c) 2 tone blue dial Sub, d) Root beer GMT. I've never purchased from this AD. That tells us I'm at the bottom of the list and was only contacted because all the hot shot buyers said no thank you. The time is not right. Now is not the time to buy for the majority of watch lovers. |
9 April 2020, 09:52 AM | #33 |
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From first hand experience go try to sell some of the hot SS models.
You're gonna get some crazy low ball offers. Not only from private individuals but also big grays. LOL |
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Those low offers don't correlate to market value, just to perceived risk -- that's not the same thing because of the market lag involved in carrying multiples of the same item in inventory. For market value, find an eBay auction (an actual auction) from a reputable seller. |
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9 April 2020, 12:33 PM | #36 |
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Global health scare about to be over soon, Thank goodness
Prices will continue to go up |
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9 April 2020, 01:08 PM | #39 |
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15% of restaurants in my area closed permanently and additional 20% expected. Lenders pulling home equity lines of credit on all investment related expendatures. Recession for sure depression 50/50. Rolex market to the moon for sure
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9 April 2020, 02:43 PM | #41 |
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More and more videos coming out about Rolex prices and in fact ALL watch prices dropping bigtime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJenvVg5zJo |
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The get into debt to impress types might be cashing out at a faster rate. You know the sort. Influx of pre owned SS sports imminent. Previously used for twitter.
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9 April 2020, 03:05 PM | #45 |
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Which ones do you think are/were the best please?
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9 April 2020, 09:22 PM | #46 |
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The denial that a world wide recession is here and not realizing what the effects of 30% unemployment can bring to a country is mindless.
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However, what we have seen is a string of posts about an AD calling and all of a sudden they have xyz in the vault. Well, AD’s have to pay rent, and grays are not buying, so they will have to start taking their goods to the regular ole public again. So this will be a slow drip situation. Grays can’t just drop prices, that will lead to a spiral down among all grays. What you will see if you look at any major gray dealer are many, many GMT, daytonas sitting. How long they can sit and keep their lights on will determine how long they can hold out before dropping prices. I do think you will see an increasing divide between the advertised price and sale price. I also think it’s the best time to shop at an AD in the last 5 years. AD’s can not afford to play games now, they need to pay rent and their business lives depend on it now. |
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Just like the pandemic, evidence will only be apparent when we look back at this time. I do know though that a lot of gray dealers aren’t really buying watches right now, and if they are, they’re not offering much. They’re definitely not offering anywhere near where the market was a month ago.
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Interesting thread. The large AD's and the well know Trusted Sellers are capitalized at a very high level and do not have to have a fire sale to keep the doors open. I believe many of the Grey's are capitalizing on some panic and low balling potential sellers to hold inventory for the bounce back. With Rolex closed and some AD selling inventory out of safes that was not previously available, the market will blow up once this craziness calms down. If you thought prices were bad before, just wait. I look at inventory from the Grey's everyday and have noticed a dip in SS Daytona prices and GMT prices but the Submariners and most PM models are holding tight. I see a lot of threads on here where someone will hold up a individual list price or sale price and say that it is the market or it is a trend. Maybe, but it will take a lot more time and transactions for that to be the case across the board. You also have to filter out the pikers and naysayers who see doom and gloom in all events. This is bad, but we will get through it and move on to the next set of events.
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depends on what you mean by market value
If you mean, what’s the market value of your current collection if you try to sell, then yes, prices are falling If you mean, what’s the price to buy from a grey dealer, then no, prices are holding firm |
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Thanks man. About 6 months, but only got the call so soon because they couldn’t get a hold of the guy in front of me and the AD was closing down. Apparently he’s pretty bummed now.... But I’m sure he will get the next one, whenever that is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Well 16 million people are already out of work in the US over the last 3 weeks.
If 0.5% of those are/were Rolex buyers than that is 80 000 less Rolex customers out there. Some of them could have to liquidate their Rollie’s As time goes on with the lockdown in place this is just going to get worse. Rolexes are still just shiny watches that serve no real purpose other than being jewelry. Hardly a critical must have for most people right now |
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Once the speculators and flippers disappear, then waitlists will shrink
The low ball grey offers will hopefully drive this |
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Don’t know if it’s the same in all of the UK but London area AD’s seem to be uninterested in selling.
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Based on conversations I have had with regular people in business, many are just walking away. A friend of mine has handed the keys back to her Unit and is just focused on her family. She mentioned about a year back that she would love a simple rolex...Thats not happening now, so multiply that by whatever. Its not looking good at all. Stay safe everyone. Health is more important that watches. |
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9 April 2020, 11:59 PM | #60 |
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The problem now is that many will get burnt and to be quite frank the market was already soft back in December/January. Everyone knew that with prices already starting to dip.
The virus just exponentially escalated what was happening anyway with reducing prices and just general interest in watches being quite low. Even social media like Insta was becoming dead when it came to watches in Dec/Jan. After all this settles there will not be the same amount of demand that is for sure. The hypebeasts are all gone already and after this the flippers wont be back. I would bet my money on a long long flat period of watches for a long time. Everything is cyclic so who knows within 5 years it may become hot again once every dick and harry has made $300k in their share portfolios again. |
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