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9 January 2020, 01:11 AM | #1 |
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GS movements info?
Own both Tag Heuer and Rolex and now looking at Grand Seiko.
Is there some reference info detailing the differences, pros and cons, etc of the different GS movements (calibers)? Thanks |
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Spring Drive, nothing else matters (imo)
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You can read about the calibers on the GS website; there are also good videos out there on spring drive movement. This and the hibeat are what GS is known for, movement wise. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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You don’t have to tell me twice!
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GS is also known for the 9F quartz movement, which is worth reading up on, too.
This is a good introduction: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/se...ith-caliber-9f
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The GS website isn't the easiest to navigate, but toward the bottom of these linked pages, there are excellent matrices comparing their different movements:
https://www.grand-seiko.com/us-en/ab...nt/springdrive https://www.grand-seiko.com/us-en/ab...echanical/9s66 |
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Then, once you start with one of those base movements, you get additional permutations within each of these: some have GMT, some have Date, some have power reserve indicator on the front vs back of the case, some are manual wind only, some 9F Quartz are so finely tuned that they are +/-5 seconds a year instead of +/-10 seconds a year. If you are going for your first Grand Seiko and want to decide based on movement, my recommendation would be a Spring Drive. Smooth sweeping seconds hand. +/- 15 seconds a month accuracy. But on the other hand, I think it's just as viable to de-prioritize movement and prioritize something else. Many people pick their first GS based on case material (steel vs titanium), dial design, case design, etc. If budget is a large factor, picking a 9F Quartz gets you a watch under $3k with the same phenomenal dial and case finishing that Grand Seiko employs in it's $5k-7k automatic/spring drive/hi-beat watches. |
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Could also add the Spring Drive with Torque Return (as seen on the Eichii Ii).
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And love the PR indicator. Very useful feature to me.
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GS make s some seriously fine watches. The finish is extremely good and I like the spring drive personally because of the change of pace and accuracy. I have the SBGA 211, 231 and 407. All from Topper.
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At first I wasn't the biggest fan of the PR indicator. I have since developed an appreciation of its usefulness and I'm glad I have it on my SBGA419. Randy |
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Now we are getting somewhere. Thanks to all for the links and info.
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Of course the Spring Drive has the sweeping hand motion and if this is of importance to you I can see the appeal. If not, then I really can't. |
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10 January 2020, 05:26 AM | #17 |
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The sweep is IT for me. Inside is nice as it reminds me how we humans also need an electrical current to make our heart do tik tok but the sweep...love, love it!!
Btw, your opinion is appreciated, we all 'tick' differently
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The same case can be made about a tourbillion vs. a Rolex 3135. A Grand Seiko/Seiko Spring Drive watch has a certain Rube Goldberg machine like quality about it. Therein lies its charm. Randy |
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I think this is what’s so fascinating about spring drive. The Rube Goldberg effect. Yea a quartz is more accurate, but damn, the years and expertise to get the spring drive to fruition has a certain charm to it. Was spring drive necessary and an overly complicated way to produce a thing that tells time? Of course. But the moment you see the sweep, it’s all worth it. my sbge249 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The sweep is so sweet...this watch gets so much attention when I travel...the lume at night in the darkened cabin is unmatched.
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I own a GS GMT SBGE001 made before the GS mono brand was launched. I love the sweep too but I also appreciate that the spring drive technology generates power mechanically and it is not dependent on a battery. So unlike conventional quartz mechanisms a GS spring drive watch is not at risk of battery leakage damage.
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Great posts, all of them. Thanks.
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Fair enough. It is up to the individual, I will always take a Rolex 3135 rather than a tourbillion. I can see the appeal of a tourbillion and I enjoy examining something like that. Would I own it though? No thanks.
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I am with this guy :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6J8wjgeQo
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My JLC with a traditional escapement is now 15 years old. Runs well within COSC and has never been serviced. Believe what you want but 30 years is possible with SD.
50 years, agree that's pushing it.
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Sounds like he got it mixed up with the 9F movement which is in fact good for 50 years.
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Why not visit a GS boutique.
They have most of the information you want.
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