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GB-man · 9 July 2021, 07:11 AM

Love the Holland and Holland! Another piece that was floating around for 50k NIB not long ago. Who the heck knows now.

_speedmaster_ · 9 July 2021, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

Love the Holland and Holland! Another piece that was floating around for 50k NIB not long ago. Who the heck knows now.

Saw a Holland and Holland in the metal 2 years ago. Fantastic watch. Definitely worth a fortune now.

cascavel · 9 July 2021, 09:33 AM

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Love the Holland and Holland! Another piece that was floating around for 50k NIB not long ago. Who the heck knows now.

Did it originally come on the bracelet? The original list for the Holland and Holland was about 2X that of the CB. Seemed crazy.

GreenLantern · 9 July 2021, 09:39 AM

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Did it originally come on the bracelet? The original list for the Holland and Holland was about 2X that of the CB. Seemed crazy.

H&H originally came on a strap.

I'm sad that I passed on one forever ago. Didn't like that it was missing a small seconds. In retrospect, the dial is stunning, and I should've picked it up. Who cares about seconds?!

_speedmaster_ · 9 July 2021, 09:53 AM

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Did it originally come on the bracelet? The original list for the Holland and Holland was about 2X that of the CB. Seemed crazy.

Price over the CB was attributed to the dial. Demascus steel sourced from rare, vintage hunting rifles from a renowned British manufacturer (I'm too lazy to look up specifics).

GB-man · 9 July 2021, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cascavel

Did it originally come on the bracelet? The original list for the Holland and Holland was about 2X that of the CB. Seemed crazy.

Def a strap. I ogled one sitting in k2luxury’s inventory for some time. Loved the look and low production. Snooze you lose.

Jay (Eire) · 9 July 2021, 10:53 AM

With the H&H you had to find the right one or ones, some dials look far better than others from what I’ve seen. All subjective of course.

The lack of sub seconds kinda threw me too, just because it’s something we are used to seeing.

Skyrider01 · 9 July 2021, 02:13 PM

I tried this H&H on at a boutique about 3 years ago.
Stunning dial, but at the time I thought 45K for a steel watch with no complications (not even a seconds hand) was nuts, so I passed on it.

GreenLantern · 9 July 2021, 03:00 PM

Truly stunning.

But yes, the lack of seconds is what turned me off, to be honest.

JR16 · 9 July 2021, 11:23 PM

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Truly stunning.

But yes, the lack of seconds is what turned me off, to be honest.

Agree… amazing dial. I’ve just never been able to do a watch without a seconds hand.

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Jay (Eire) · 10 July 2021, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyrider01

I tried this H&H on at a boutique about 3 years ago.
Stunning dial, but at the time I thought 45K for a steel watch with no complications (not even a seconds hand) was nuts, so I passed on it.

You were right. It was nuts. I passed on it too.

epicurus · 10 July 2021, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay (Eire)

You were right. It was nuts. I passed on it too.

And still is nuts.

Jay (Eire) · 10 July 2021, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by epicurus

And still is nuts.

It sure is.

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jessiethe3rd · 31 July 2021, 12:05 AM

Few things to consider.

FP Journe definitely operates off relationships. This is why there is such a breve of boutiques. Building a relationship is an important exercise.

I was fortunate enough to build a decent relationship with the Miami Boutique when it was in Bal Harbour. I spent time getting to know them. I met Pierre Halimi and got a chance to learn about their watches. Got a chance to drink great wine, meet interesting people, and really lean in.

Every time I went down to Miami I would spend time in the boutique. FP Journe is not “weeding out flippers”. There’s a real insincerity if you are getting into FPJ because you want to invest in the product. These are not investment pieces. Think of it as art. An artist wants to have his art collected. Admired. Loved. That’s the romance of this particular brand. It is set up in a very specific way.

By the way, trying to build a relationship with the New York boutique is a rather fruitless exercise. It a populous area with high foot traffic. You’d be best spending your time in boutiques that have lower foot traffic if you travel. I’m happy to report I own a CB but still have to wait 3 years for a Chronometre Optimum. That’s life. That’s FP Journe.

harrison_cheng · 15 August 2021, 07:43 PM

Congra. on your new purchase. May I know when you ordered your CO? do they give your the exact delivery time? thanks.

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Originally Posted by jessiethe3rd

Few things to consider.

FP Journe definitely operates off relationships. This is why there is such a breve of boutiques. Building a relationship is an important exercise.

I was fortunate enough to build a decent relationship with the Miami Boutique when it was in Bal Harbour. I spent time getting to know them. I met Pierre Halimi and got a chance to learn about their watches. Got a chance to drink great wine, meet interesting people, and really lean in.

Every time I went down to Miami I would spend time in the boutique. FP Journe is not “weeding out flippers”. There’s a real insincerity if you are getting into FPJ because you want to invest in the product. These are not investment pieces. Think of it as art. An artist wants to have his art collected. Admired. Loved. That’s the romance of this particular brand. It is set up in a very specific way.

By the way, trying to build a relationship with the New York boutique is a rather fruitless exercise. It a populous area with high foot traffic. You’d be best spending your time in boutiques that have lower foot traffic if you travel. I’m happy to report I own a CB but still have to wait 3 years for a Chronometre Optimum. That’s life. That’s FP Journe.

cbalster · 24 August 2021, 12:40 AM

Mint condition sold for $65k.
https://loupethis.com/auctions/f-p-j...ronometre-bleu

edhahn44 · 24 August 2021, 04:26 AM

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Mint condition sold for $65k.
https://loupethis.com/auctions/f-p-j...ronometre-bleu

Interesting. Seems like prices plateaued. Supply is actually also quite high at the moment, i.e. eight being offered at Chrono24 at the moment. Some of them sitting there for some time already.

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sensui · 24 August 2021, 05:01 AM

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Mint condition sold for $65k.
https://loupethis.com/auctions/f-p-j...ronometre-bleu

Not sure how much it matters. But it's watch only.

jessiethe3rd · 24 August 2021, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by harrison_cheng

Congra. on your new purchase. May I know when you ordered your CO? do they give your the exact delivery time? thanks.

It’s not in building. It’s three years of lead time on time of interest to actual delivery. Cannot say how long you’ll wait. I’m a previous customer so I’d talk to your boutique or rep to get an idea.

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GB-man · 24 August 2021, 09:26 AM

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Not sure how much it matters. But it's watch only.

Plus 10% buyers premium. But also I believe that was number 23 which if I understand Journe correct makes it early and a somewhat interesting number for any basketball fans lol

Mills_ · 24 August 2021, 09:35 AM

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Plus 10% buyers premium. But also I believe that was number 23 which if I understand Journe correct makes it early and a somewhat interesting number for any basketball fans lol

Agree that it is 71.5 not 65.

I have read reports that the earlier numbers had a lot of issues. Hard to say how much impact this (or the lack of box and papers) would have but suffice to say it's probably not 25k USD worth of difference.

unknown · 24 August 2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cbalster

Mint condition sold for $65k.
https://loupethis.com/auctions/f-p-j...ronometre-bleu

Lack of papers makes a big difference

And an auction platform nobody is aware of ....
If nobody knows it’s for sale ....

harrison_cheng · 24 August 2021, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cbalster

Mint condition sold for $65k.
https://loupethis.com/auctions/f-p-j...ronometre-bleu

mint? please look at the lower left lug. there is a dent. impossible to recover.

Russell996 · 24 August 2021, 10:08 PM

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mint? please look at the lower left lug. there is a dent. impossible to recover.

I only see reflections?

ts3 · 24 August 2021, 10:11 PM

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I only see reflections?

There is a dent on the edge of the lower left lug not far from its end.

jenniferjanef · 25 August 2021, 07:07 AM

Dented lug, I see the case is far from mint condition, no papers, no box, year 2010 model.. I wouldn’t touch if I am in the market.

I heard nightmares ppl buying stolen watches and watches that comes with non factory bits n pieces.

2010 ie early CB has a much lower market value than a 2019/2020 model.

GB-man · 25 August 2021, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jenniferjanef

Dented lug, I see the case is far from mint condition, no papers, no box, year 2010 model.. I wouldn’t touch if I am in the market.

I heard nightmares ppl buying stolen watches and watches that comes with non factory bits n pieces.

2010 ie early CB has a much lower market value than a 2019/2020 model.

That last bit is pretty stupid if you ask me. All things equal I would want the lowest number possible.

Not saying you’re incorrect I have no idea just stating my thoughts on early vs late production of any watch.

llngoc · 25 August 2021, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jenniferjanef

Dented lug, I see the case is far from mint condition, no papers, no box, year 2010 model.. I wouldn’t touch if I am in the market.

I heard nightmares ppl buying stolen watches and watches that comes with non factory bits n pieces.

2010 ie early CB has a much lower market value than a 2019/2020 model.

Box and paper is a must as any stolen watch being send back for service may not be returned.

Tesla123 · 25 August 2021, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jenniferjanef

Dented lug, I see the case is far from mint condition, no papers, no box, year 2010 model.. I wouldn’t touch if I am in the market.

I heard nightmares ppl buying stolen watches and watches that comes with non factory bits n pieces.

2010 ie early CB has a much lower market value than a 2019/2020 model.

Low serial Number is more desirable for sure

edhahn44 · 25 August 2021, 02:33 PM

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Low serial Number is more desirable for sure

I echo that. Agree that box and papers is a must but I would also always go for an earlier model.

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9 July 2021, 07:11 AM	#721
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,856	Love the Holland and Holland! Another piece that was floating around for 50k NIB not long ago. Who the heck knows now. __________________

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jessiethe3rd 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: hmm.... Location: Seattle, WA Watch: Chronometre Bleu Posts: 316	Few things to consider. FP Journe definitely operates off relationships. This is why there is such a breve of boutiques. Building a relationship is an important exercise. I was fortunate enough to build a decent relationship with the Miami Boutique when it was in Bal Harbour. I spent time getting to know them. I met Pierre Halimi and got a chance to learn about their watches. Got a chance to drink great wine, meet interesting people, and really lean in. Every time I went down to Miami I would spend time in the boutique. FP Journe is not “weeding out flippers”. There’s a real insincerity if you are getting into FPJ because you want to invest in the product. These are not investment pieces. Think of it as art. An artist wants to have his art collected. Admired. Loved. That’s the romance of this particular brand. It is set up in a very specific way. By the way, trying to build a relationship with the New York boutique is a rather fruitless exercise. It a populous area with high foot traffic. You’d be best spending your time in boutiques that have lower foot traffic if you travel. I’m happy to report I own a CB but still have to wait 3 years for a Chronometre Optimum. That’s life. That’s FP Journe. __________________ "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment." - Emerson

9 July 2021, 10:53 AM	#727
Jay (Eire) 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: @jb.watching Location: NYC Posts: 1,467	With the H&H you had to find the right one or ones, some dials look far better than others from what I’ve seen. All subjective of course. The lack of sub seconds kinda threw me too, just because it’s something we are used to seeing.

9 July 2021, 02:13 PM	#728
Skyrider01 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 1,278	I tried this H&H on at a boutique about 3 years ago. Stunning dial, but at the time I thought 45K for a steel watch with no complications (not even a seconds hand) was nuts, so I passed on it.

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GreenLantern "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Montana Posts: 3,223	Truly stunning. But yes, the lack of seconds is what turned me off, to be honest.

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cbalster "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Hillsborough Posts: 729	Mint condition sold for $65k. https://loupethis.com/auctions/f-p-j...ronometre-bleu

25 August 2021, 07:07 AM	#746
jenniferjanef "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,823	Dented lug, I see the case is far from mint condition, no papers, no box, year 2010 model.. I wouldn’t touch if I am in the market. I heard nightmares ppl buying stolen watches and watches that comes with non factory bits n pieces. 2010 ie early CB has a much lower market value than a 2019/2020 model.

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