Taking a look at the 3235

[skirsch]

Originally Posted by Crown & Shield

Thank you for your reply
Mine has been keeping perfect time for almost two years so hopefully it is OK. Anyway, I have never had an issue with a Rolex that they have not solved under warranty.

I have an early Sea Dweller 43 (June 2017 also) and have the watch in a rotation with other watches so it sits unwound for weeks. No issues at this point but this is good information to have in case it loses or gains a minute a day all of a sudden.

[spaciorek]

awesome pictures, I forwarded this thread to a friend who just purchased a Datejust 41.

[TimingIsEverything]

Wow. Great pictures!

[TheWatchEnthusiast]

Thank you so much for the incredible photos and the useful info.
I also wish they were more post like this. As a relatively newcomer to the hobby, the educational part and history of the brand is extremely import to me. I truly appreciate your efforts to share some of your knowledge. Please keep posting similar educational info.

Sincerely
John.


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[maxbelg]

I enjoyed this post a lot, thanks. I just took my 126710BLRO to my AD to have it checked: it started loosing a few seconds and I measured the amplitude horizontally (fully wound with lift angle 55°)at <260. Maybe everything is OK but I wanted to be sure it doesn't have this issue, hope I don't have to wait too long to get it back!

[Annan]

Thanks so much for sharing this! I've had two DJ41s, both of which soon developed accuracy issues (lost seconds/day) and went to RSC under warranty. One was regulated first by a local AD but the problem soon returned and even worsened.

The only feedback from RSC was "Check Movement". I'm guessing the problem could have been the lubrication issue you described. This helps to assure me that I'm not simply OCD as some on TRF will quickly assert when many of us attempt to describe an accuracy issue.

[904VT]

Very cool. Thanks very much for sharing with us!

[Beckster]

Awesome thread and pictures! Thanks for sharing Bas.

[uhren917]

Originally Posted by SearChart

The pivot was most likely not lubricated due to a production error. The seconds wheel was always quite prone to wear so I don't think this was intentional..

Yes in pretty much all mechanical watches the gear train is lubricated.

I agree! Since the movement is mass produced and Rolex probably has parallel assembly stations,(assuming the lubrication step is still done by hand) perhaps the error was by one lone person, therefore the error is not in all the early 32xx series movements.

Thanks again, enjoyed your sharing!

As a hobbyist I have bought a number of watch making books like the one by George Daniels.

[mrricks]

You are such an outstanding asset on this forum. A must read for me when I see you post.

[Crown & Shield]

Originally Posted by Annan

Thanks so much for sharing this! I've had two DJ41s, both of which soon developed accuracy issues (lost seconds/day) and went to RSC under warranty. One was regulated first by a local AD but the problem soon returned and even worsened.

The only feedback from RSC was "Check Movement". I'm guessing the problem could have been the lubrication issue you described. This helps to assure me that I'm not simply OCD as some on TRF will quickly assert when many of us attempt to describe an accuracy issue.

May I ask how soon that accuracy problem developed?

[carlhaluss]

Thank you for making the time and effort with these great photos and explanation of the "dry" issue. Very interesting to know this issue exists.

Cheers,
Carl

[MTBer]

Originally Posted by R G

You do realise you’ve just opened a can of worms there, don’t you?

It’s really no different than buying the first run of a new car or extensively redesigned model- teething problems should be expected. Beta testing is just part of the price paid for having to have the newest thing.

[dtwer]

Thank you for the interesting pictures.

It’s eye opening to see Rolex’s attention to detail on the finish even though the movement is hidden out of sight.

[Annan]

Originally Posted by Crown & Shield

May I ask how soon that accuracy problem developed?

Both ran -2s/day at time of purchase. The first one slipped progressively lower within a couple of months. The second one actually improved and was consistently within -2/+2 for almost a year.

The first DJ was bought new in October 2016. When it hit -4s/day I asked a local watchmaker to put it on his timegrapher. He confirmed the -4s but said it also showed there were "amplitude issues" and suggested I send it to RSC. It then ran at about +1s/day for the next 8 months I owned it.

The second DJ was bought new in June 2017. When it hit -4s/day in August 2018 I had it regulated by a watchmaker at an AD. It ran at close to 0s/day for awhile and then slipped to -6s/day by September. The same watchmaker then told me there were issues with "low power" and it needed to go to RSC. I still have this DJ and now, about 6 months later, it averages about +0.5 s/day.

[Crown & Shield]

Originally Posted by Annan

Both ran -2s/day at time of purchase. The first one slipped progressively lower within a couple of months. The second one actually improved and was consistently within -2/+2 for almost a year.

The first DJ was bought new in October 2016. When it hit -4s/day I asked a local watchmaker to put it on his timegrapher. He confirmed the -4s but said it also showed there were "amplitude issues" and suggested I send it to RSC. It then ran at about +1s/day for the next 8 months I owned it.

The second DJ was bought new in June 2017. When it hit -4s/day in August 2018 I had it regulated by a watchmaker at an AD. It ran at close to 0s/day for awhile and then slipped to -6s/day by September. The same watchmaker then told me there were issues with "low power" and it needed to go to RSC. I still have this DJ and now, about 6 months later, it averages about +0.5 s/day.

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Looks like a difficult problem to identify by just looking at the accuracy, at least in the beginning. But once they fall to -4s/day there clearly is something wrong. Mine is holding to within ±0.5s/day after two years so I may be fine.

[Annan]

Originally Posted by Crown & Shield

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Looks like a difficult problem to identify by just looking at the accuracy, at least in the beginning. But once they fall to -4s/day there clearly is something wrong. Mine is holding to within ±0.5s/day after two years so I may be fine.

[broken_link]

Originally Posted by Annan

Both ran -2s/day at time of purchase. The first one slipped progressively lower within a couple of months. The second one actually improved and was consistently within -2/+2 for almost a year.



The first DJ was bought new in October 2016. When it hit -4s/day I asked a local watchmaker to put it on his timegrapher. He confirmed the -4s but said it also showed there were "amplitude issues" and suggested I send it to RSC. It then ran at about +1s/day for the next 8 months I owned it.



The second DJ was bought new in June 2017. When it hit -4s/day in August 2018 I had it regulated by a watchmaker at an AD. It ran at close to 0s/day for awhile and then slipped to -6s/day by September. The same watchmaker then told me there were issues with "low power" and it needed to go to RSC. I still have this DJ and now, about 6 months later, it averages about +0.5 s/day.

So just to confirm did you have both regulated once and did you send both to RSC?

[Annan]

Originally Posted by broken_link

So just to confirm did you have both regulated once and did you send both to RSC?

No....only the second one was regulated before going to RSC. And yes, both went to RSC.

[mat_787]

Should i be concerned if I pick one up new now?

[Crown & Shield]

I think we shouldn't be overly concerned about this being a systematic risk: there have been probably hundreds of thousands of these 32xx movements sold since they were released, starting with the Day-Date in 2015, then the Datejust 41, then the Sea-Dweller 50th Anniversary, and finally the updated GMT II, and if this was a widespread issue we would have heard about it by now. I agree that it must have been an isolated human error that slipped through Quality Control.

[Castlesinthesky]

Great post. Many thanks for sharing

[R G]

Originally Posted by MTBer

It’s really no different than buying the first run of a new car or extensively redesigned model- teething problems should be expected. Beta testing is just part of the price paid for having to have the newest thing.

Yeah I’m honestly not that fussed. Although I wouldn’t agree that I’ve elected myself for beta testing as you call it.

I bought a DJ41 which contains a movement that had been out for a good couple of years before I got mine.

It is what it is I guess.

[JasChCh]

Wonderful pics.

My 2018 DSSD (126660) began to lose time, and when it got to minus 6 seconds per day my local watchmaker tested the amplitude.

His view was that it was low, and I should send it back to Rolex for service & it duly went overseas for a month for regulation. It wasn't too far out of specification, but it was slowly but surely getting worse.

I am not sure if it had this lubrication issue, but certainly the comment was made that the amplitude should have been a lot higher....but how low it was I have no idea.

Either way, it's running fantastically well now.

[danwang0520]

wow, nice shot......there's even perlage on rolex movement, i'm impressed

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by mat_787

Should i be concerned if I pick one up new now?

Not at all

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by danwang0520

wow, nice shot......there's even perlage on rolex movement, i'm impressed

The older movements have perlage as well.

[Raku]

Despite what a lot of haters say, Rolex movements are still nicely decorated, even though you will never see them through an open back.
Thank you OP!

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by Raku

Despite what a lot of haters say, Rolex movements are still nicely decorated, even though you will never see them through an open back.
Thank you OP!

I agree, while it is no patek or lange I still think Rolex movements look pretty good The new 32 series is very nicely finished for a workhorse movement IMO

[Johndong888]

OP, I absolutely love your contributions here. Thank you! Amazing work


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