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5 December 2021, 10:55 AM | #31 |
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JLC themself came up with the "watchmakers watch" thing. Idiotic.
JLC is a brand with great history and some classic, dare I say almost iconic, designs, like the Reverso or the Deep Sea Alarm. They have also played an important role as a movement maker, and they have supplied calibers to the biggest brands out there, like Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe, etc. Having said all of this - I think their brand management has been flawed. Over the years, they have been all over the place - too many models, limited editions this and that, too big watches or too small, and so forth. Their quality control has been a challenge at times - I have owned several JLCs that have had issues and had to go back to JLC for service (hence, brand new watches, their QA should never have released these watches for sale). You have to buy JLCs because you love them and plan to keep them. Resell values are lower and they tend to be harder to offload as well. Which model are you thinking of? |
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JLC and many other brands from big groups (Richemont) are just coasting on their previous success and history.
Why would anybody care about the history of a brand is beyond me. The product you buy exists in the present, not the romanticised past. Marketing tactics all around to make you believe otherwise. JLC service is bad. Going to their flagship boutique in Geneva, you face SA that are incompetent and are merely used car salesman in their behaviour. No savoir-être, lies, and just a deep desire to add you to the mailing list for their own KPIs. Their watches are boring to no end. Round with leather bracelet. Wow. Their sports watches are gigantic and laughable in their design. Make no mistake, when you buy a JLC; you help a wealthy executive pay for his holidays at the W hotel in Verbier. |
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I struggle with JLC, although it's a brand that does speak to me. Every time they get reasonably close to creating something truly brilliant they seem to miss opportunities.
Take the MUT moon enamel dial. Absolutely stunning, but made in ridiculously small quantities. They've also missed out on a fantastic opportunity to make some sporty steel watches and almost everything is now focussed on dress. I've said this before, and I'll keep saying it, but I don't understand why they haven't remade the deep sea chrono or alarm. |
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Kinda a side bar... I loved meeting IWC's Mr. Klaus back in 2000, so much passion and brilliance!
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Sure, they can do high watchmaking when they want… and when they do, it’s often truly impressive. But I’m not sure that’s what defines the brand in my eyes.
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Speaking from personal experience as the owner of many brands from the likes of Patek, ALS, AP, FPJ, Rolex, Cartier, Omega….and yes, JLC - my Jaeger LeCoultre experience has been amazing. Not one bad thing to say about the brand or the products they produce.
The JLC Geophysic 1958 has become one of my most worn pieces in the collection. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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The Geophysic 1958 is, IMO, an example of JLC using its history and skills to great effect. Well bought!
Here's my Reverso Platinum Two from 2003. This watch still displays the influence of Günter Blümlein, who elevated several brands through his involvement. I prefer early ALS over current models for the same reason. |
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Who knew we just had to wait until this morning for the most appropriate horological application of “fur coat no knickers” ever. Thank you Patek, Tiffany and LVMH. Classy ladies. (Sorry to pull this thread off topic again, but today is a special day). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Supreme must be pissed!
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Agree! I’ve been looking at JLC for 15 years hoping something strikes my fancy but they are just not that exciting. I want to like them, I appreciate the movement, but just can’t do it.
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Haha! This!
I've only had one JLC service experience and it was terribly negative. The Texas service center is a butchery and they won't allow you to send your watch directly to Switzerland unless its vintage or one of their super expensive pieces, which is aggravating. It turned out okay in the end once it finally went back to Switzerland but the process took over a year. Other watch people I know have said the same. As for the watches themselves, I think the Reverso and the Master lines are great pieces that offer a lot of value for the money in steel. Most of their watches are machined finished but they're the price of Rolex at MSRP so one can't complain. I have a Reverso from the early aughts and a modern Reverso and have considered one from the Master Collection but I will say the service gives me pause. |
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The last year released limited blue Memovox was a refreshing JLC and impossible to call monotone…
Did everybody already forget the uber complicated crazy complicated reverso this year?! Haute horology to the moon I guess. |
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the master thin ultra moon is a great bang for the buck dress watch
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Tried on a Reverso Tribute duoface moon today. Beautiful reference.
However, had no idea they had so many issues with service. Thankful I stumbled across this thread. Cheers everyone for sharing your experience. Maybe a less complicated reference is the way to go?! |
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I've always toyed with and have come close to adding a JLC throughout the years....reverso, master control line...but once I tried them on (and I've tried them on a lot), just couldn't get over the line and ended up going another direction. Yes, I agree with most that they do offer the 'good bang for your buck' factor but I wouldn't necessarily go with any watch if 'value' was the only thing it offered. It's a factor, yes, but it's not close to the main driver in my watch decision process. And 'value' is all relative.
May still end up adding something from JLC but there are other brands I would have ahead of it based on their current offering. |
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They make great watches, and at current values in the pre-owned space, they're being given away compared to what other brands are commanding in prices.
https://www.europeanwatch.com/watch/...ial-39729.html $8k for a JLC PC with an enamel dial? Perpetual calendars aren't my thing but this is a deal if I ever saw one! |
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I know this thread is about JLC... but what are your thoughts on Cartier? Also owned by Richemont Group but it seems that Cartier is returning to their roots. Bringing back classic designs, release new designs that stay true to the original DNA, and everyone seems to think that they are well made. |
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I own a fairly large collection consisting of JLC, Rolex, Omega, PP, AP, ALS….and Cartier. Having experienced them all, I will say that Cartier makes excellent, highly reliable pieces. I truly feel that my Cartier Santos is one on the best built watches I own. And it is bang-on to the second accurate. Can’t say enough good about what Cartier is doing! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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[QUOTE=psv;11849812]JLC themself came up with the "watchmakers watch" thing. Idiotic.
I have ready this phrase many times over the years in interviews and watch magazines and books. I am not challenging you, I would just like to know how you know JLC came up with this, and what documentation supports it? Because next time I see it in an online article, I would love to address it in the comments section. |
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