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25 May 2012, 01:54 PM | #61 |
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Yes 64 like 8x8 or 59 plus5 or 100 minus 36
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25 May 2012, 02:03 PM | #62 |
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Glad to know that you passed Grade 2 Math.
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Dare I hijack the thread with a ton of pics??????
It isn't going anywhere anyway |
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Patina from the 1800's
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Sorry OP Blew it....
....should have been returned within stated return policy....should have done your research before purchase and before it was put away in a safe...
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Ok bye.
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Yes I have pawnshop stuff. These are so heavy.
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And I thought I would see pictures of your 64 Rolex watches.
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Bear with me, as I'm going to jump back and forth in terms of which side of this issue I'm lining up on.........
I've never done business with Steve M, but I know a number of people who have and were happy with their transactions. He's obviously well-known and well-regarded in the vintage Rolex community. I have seen him state that a 9M serial Sea Dweller could have come with a matte dial. I'm not in agreement with that and I've yet to meet anyone else who is. But there are no hard and fast rules Rolex followed when transitioning from radium to matte dials, and from matte dials to luminova. Is there a possibility a batch of matte dials could have been found in someone's desk drawer or in a box at the factory during the transition period? Certainly. Would Rolex have destroyed them, if such an event occurred? Unlikely. I've seen testimony from original purchasers of Rolexes that had originality issues (e.g. non-"straight across" casebacks on Double Red SDs) stating that's how it came when they bought it at the AD. There have been plenty of instances of Rolex repurposing parts, such as using 5513 casebacks in 5512s. So there's precedent here that Rolex could've had a batch of matte dialed 5513s leave the factory after they'd already begun production of the glossy dialed versions. Just because a seller is respected in the community doesn't mean a buyer should throw caution out the window, place complete trust in them and perform no due diligence before entering into a transaction. If something were to go awry b/c of lack of knowledge/awareness about "originality", that's on the buyer IMO. A quick investigation or simply posting a question would've revealed the skepticism about an 8.6M serial 5513 having a matte dial. But at the end of the day, no one can say with 100% certainty that this 5513 originally left the AD with a gloss dial. Why? Because unless someone here worked for Rolex in their manufacturing group throughout the decade of the 80s, it's mere speculation and anecdotal evidence. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that there is always the chance for an outlier or three. IMO there are two solutions here for the OP. One, take up Steve on his offer to apply what was paid towards the acquisition of another watch in his inventory. Or two, acquire a 5513 set that falls within the "safe" serial range but is currently outfitted with a gloss dial (they certainly come up for sale with some regularity), and swap out the dials. Typically, such "should be matte dial" sets are priced pretty aggressively b/c of the presence of a gloss dial, so the OP should end up with fairly priced matte and gloss 5513 sets if he is patient. *** EDIT - forgot to add that the few hundred thousand difference in serial number between what is generally accepted as the "late matte dial 5513" period versus the start of the glossy dial period represents less than a year in Rolex's manufacturing world. So the possibility is higher that they may have come upon a few "straggler" matte dials and pushed them out after the gloss dials had already started being manufactured. ***
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We need to wait for Steve's post in this thread before any opinions are formed as there is always two sides to a story.
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You need to lighten up, back off and let Steve sort this out when he comes back. You are not helping your friend and your 70%/80% refund policy didn't impress me but hey your not just in it for the money - right.
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Interesting points. I hope both sides can come to terms.
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I would love to come to a fair and speedy resolution.
While I feel a full refund is right I have offered to take an exchange for a full set Maxi 5513 as previously described in the advert. I also offered, as a gesture, to cover all costs of postage and bank transfers to facilitate a deal. However, I cannot seem to get any contact with Steve, despite sending several emails over nearly the last week. I'm sure we both have better things to do with our time and feel a quick resolution would suit both of us. |
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Steve will be in touch with you soon.
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25 May 2012, 10:02 PM | #85 |
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I'm a troll. My pics are fake. DIdn't you know?
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pawnshopkiller, while initially standing up for your friend Steve is amicable, you are really not doing yourself or your reputation any favors.
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25 May 2012, 11:57 PM | #87 |
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If I really cared about what you all think I would have chose a name without pawnshop in it.
Opinions are formed based on my screen name alone. I am fine with this and secure with everything I have said here. Thanks for your concern but honestly I have earned everything I have without a silly forum. As far as my opinion on the return a month later. I would feel the same way even if I didn't know the seller. |
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Enough of the nonsense and get back on topic all or this thread is going bye bye. To the OP--perhaps you should have handled this privately to get the best result?
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There are plenty of other non-silly forums to grace your presence with. I have no doubt that Stevie M will sort this one out. The seller also seems a reasonable sort. Give it a little time, then either party can update this thread. |
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Rolex has produced matte dials for 5513's Subs in the 8M + plus range
right before the dial change to Gloss/White Gold hour marker bezels. So I believe you are covered there. There is the small matter of your matte dial having the word SUBMARINER shorter than the depth rating where as in the 8M+ matte dials (?) the word SUBMARINER is covering (is longer) the depth rating in length. This type of new measurement stuck with the glossy dials later. : |
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