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Simple Mike, it’s helps to reduce the spread. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ngstoknow.html |
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At this point if you are an adult who chooses not to be vaccinated, that's on you. I hope everyone gets vaccinated but at this point I'm looking our for me and my loved ones. Every adult has had the ability to be vaccinated by now. I have friends and relatives who won't do it and all I can say to them is "good luck!" |
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I believe being vaccinated reduces the virus transmission by reducing the pool of people who become infected and reducing virus levels in those who get infected. I fully understand that being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee you won’t catch covid but it reduces the risk. From what I understand, if you still do catch the virus after being vaccinated, the effects are much less likely to require hospitalization, and thereby also helps others in need of urgent care. So by “doing it for someone else” I think of those folks who are more defenseless to the virus. Of course I have my own selfish reasons as stated in my earlier post. A nephew with downs, parents living in a home, a daughter with asthma. Another interesting link that resonates with me. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ugh-cases.html |
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4 August 2021, 11:54 PM | #95 |
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The choice not to get vaccinated will soon come with social consequences, in addition to the manifest health risk.
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The Real Summary if you read/research (and easily found in studies) beyond propaganda:
-Unvaccinated tests are ran at a 40 cycle threshold. -Unvaccinated cases that show positive at a 40 cycle threshold are counted towards numbers regardless if a person is hospitalized or not -Once admitted to a hospital and tested, if unvaccinated a 40 cycle threshold is used in all cases not 28 cycles as is used for vaccinated for reporting purposes -All vaccinated are tested at a 28 cycle threshold and only counted in cases if thru hospitalization or death. -PCR test reviews genetic materials, the greater the number of cycle thresholds, the greater the genetic material is magnified, resulting in less meaningful statistics ultimately -These biased tests (or I should say biased setup) will be decommissioned Dec 2021, but in the meanwhile can be used to skew a narrative, push passports among other things In respect to the above, for those familiar with statistics I would ask you if you have ever ran a confidence interval and assumed the 90% and 99% levels to be apples to apples comparisons. That doesn't mean anything is "fake" just more than likely statically skewed i.e. the sample has a low R^2 in relation to the population and is not representative. If anything, I have learned we need to improve our math education and include statistics in primary schooling as a requirement. If you feel you should have a treatment and it's best for your personal health, it is your right. But please with the virtue signaling and ignoring of naturally gained immunities and/or antibodies and downright discrimination. If you believe in vaccine science and are only be open to one method of anti-body protections, you are part of the problem as you are in conflict with the very vaccine science you say you believe. We do not have a 2 tiered society, we are all equal (or should be). What that means....if you are unvaccinated please be careful we are in a pandemic. If you are vaccinated please be careful we are in a pandemic. Your "immunities" are not better or worse because you have gained in a way that has conformed to your own behavioral biases including endowment and anchoring and adjustment psychological biases. Your immunity choice is meant to cause division and conflict with the other side as all things usually do. Let's treat each other with respect not virtue signaling that you care more about others because you believe your way is better than someone else's. And just because the "big TV" tells you something does not make the journalists (said loosely) always correct. Stay safe everyone P.S. I know the above will trigger some, but it is never fun to be told or made aware that you have been manipulated. What would help prove the current treatments to be effective (or at least equal to naturally induced anti-bodies) would be if application and cycle thresholds were ran consistently for all. The burden of proof is on the treatment not the natural anti-bodies. In scientific studies we would call this the base case or null hypothesis. Breakthrough case submission form linked below. Notice the specific section covering and requiring "CT Value" aka cycle threshold of 28 vs 40. If CT was not important then why would it be asked on the review of breakthroughs? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ation-Form.pdf Does this mean the treatment doesn't work? Of course it doesn't mean that and there may be merit behind, especially for repurposed use in cancer treatments among others. But let's stop with the fake science. The fake science being taking a cult like perspective as a pill for everything society. Sunlight/UV kills pathogens, disinfectants kill pathogens. But their effectiveness is not mutually exclusive. Of course if the above doesn't fit your narrative, I truly expect to hear the stereotypical virtue signaling and passive aggressive when you are on a ventilator that's what you get philosophy. A philosophy that does NO ONE any good. A society of do as I say not as I do, is a failing society. |
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Read this today, kind of appropriate....
It is instructive to look back at settled U.S. law stemming from Jacobson v Massachusetts, 1905, a US Supreme Court case. Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote the majority opinion of a 7-2 decision against the plaintiff who cited his personal liberty as the main argument about refusing smallpox vaccination. It was pointed out that the Constitution does not secure the unlimited liberty of the individual when it is averse to the general welfare and safety of the community of fellow citizens at large. By applying reasonable constraints, the Constitution preserves the welfare of all. It's rather sad in this country that EVERYTHING has to be political. One has to wonder if chaos is the goal of some people or groups.
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Pretty sure we fought entire world wars to prevent this kind of draconian power. The scary part is not that parts of governments would like to institute this type of control. Nope. The scary part is the amount of citizens we have today that would accept it without question. Unbelievable. Very scary.
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This entire subject is political. The very fact that you posted in this thread is political. This thread is one of the scariest things I’ve read in quite some time.
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600,000 in the US.
And that's not why we fought 2 World Wars. We've had mandatory vaccinations for years.
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Yeah this variant seems to not care if you are vaccinated or not. My wife caught it last week regardless of being vaccinated.
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The unvaccinated will just be a breeding ground for this and the next variant. Here (wherever that is) and abroad. This is how a virus works.
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It looks like this is where we are headed.
Revelation 13:16-17 KJV And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. If getting the shot will help you not to get the virus, why do you care if someone doesn't get the shot? Why does that affect you? There's a lot more to this, and the Bible is always up-to-date. John 3:16-21,36 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. [36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Rolex friends, I believe the end is near and we need to start thinking seriously about our spiritual condition. Let's get back to what this site is supposed to be for - that is Rolex watches, not political propaganda! Sent from my SM-G973U1 using Tapatalk |
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We fought two world wars to end or stop the spread of totalitarianism. Why are so many so accepting of it today? Almost encouraging it I would say. Several people on this very thread. Very scary. We’ve never had mandatory vaccines. Never. Not in the United States we don’t. I am not anti-vaccine by the way. However I am very much anti-forcing anyone to stick something in their body. I’m very much gravitating toward your side who has always so supportive of my “body my choice”. It seems to be so scarily absent in this case.
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