Rolex 1675 opinion needed

[kans86]

I am helping a friend to check this GMT and since I am also not familiar I would like to hear expert opinions here about the condition of the watch. Serial 50xxxx.


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[1665fan]

Replacement insert that’s for sure, the rest looks pretty nice but would need serial number pics to verify

[lovegmt73]

Pics of movement?
Does it still retain its butterfly rotor?


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[kans86]

Some more photos


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[Pocosso]

The watch looks good, nice patina, GILT dial, PCG. I think the bracelet is not the proper one, for that case I guess the proper one would be a riveted one. The insert is not the original one.
In general it looks a decent watch, not sure, picture are not very good, about crown and if the dial has been retouched or not. I like it.

[kans86]

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[lovegmt73]

I think crown is too big.
Do you have photos of movement?
Does it retain its butterfly rotor?


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[kans86]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Replacement insert that’s for sure, the rest looks pretty nice but would need serial number pics to verify

Thank you

Originally Posted by Pocosso

The watch looks good, nice patina, GILT dial, PCG. I think the bracelet is not the proper one, for that case I guess the proper one would be a riveted one. The insert is not the original one.
In general it looks a decent watch, not sure, picture are not very good, about crown and if the dial has been retouched or not. I like it.

Thank you

More views please. Can anyone tell if the hands are correct?

[circles]

Originally Posted by kans86

I am helping a friend to check this GMT and since I am also not familiar I would like to hear expert opinions here about the condition of the watch. Serial 50xxxx.


Thank you in advance.

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Serial #50x,xxx (1960 production) would be one of the very earliest ones known. My #51x,xxx is one of the 3 or 4 earliest known and that one is even earlier. VERY valuable piece.

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ing-dial-A3354

[1watch]

Originally Posted by kans86

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More views please. Can anyone tell if the hands are correct?

Looks solid from pics. Case decent, crown guards still have proper facets, dial has nice tobacco tone. Hands look to be replaced at some point, as minute hand should have pointy tip that extends to chapter ring. Has seller provided U.V. light pic/video and Geiger reading? I would need both of those items. If all good and he ends up buying, I would suggest swapping the insert for a nice, correct early gilt version and get a 7206 bracelet with either 58 or 80 end links.


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[kans86]

Originally Posted by circles

Serial #50x,xxx (1960 production) would be one of the very earliest ones known. My #51x,xxx is one of the 3 or 4 earliest known and that one is even earlier. VERY valuable piece.

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ing-dial-A3354

Thanks. Sorry I was mistaken the serial nr is actualy 54xxxx.

[circles]

Originally Posted by kans86

Thanks. Sorry I was mistaken the serial nr is actualy 54xxxx.

Still from 1960, just not as early, and still very valuable.

[kans86]

Originally Posted by 1watch

Looks solid from pics. Case decent, crown guards still have proper facets, dial has nice tobacco tone. Hands look to be replaced at some point, as minute hand should have pointy tip that extends to chapter ring. Has seller provided U.V. light pic/video and Geiger reading? I would need both of those items. If all good and he ends up buying, I would suggest swapping the insert for a nice, correct early gilt version and get a 7206 bracelet with either 58 or 80 end links.


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Many thanks. Do you happen to know if it is not too difficult to source a correct insert and how much it may cost? My friend is looking at around 16-17k Euro so I wonder how much it would add up with the correct insert, bracelet and even a set of hands as well.

[1watch]

That price can’t be right if correct case and dial is decent.


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[Pocosso]

I would consider around 10K to bring it at perfection. Piece is valid.

[Pocosso]

I honestly don't see any problem with the hands.

[1watch]

Originally Posted by Pocosso

I honestly don't see any problem with the hands.

Hands do look good, but are replaced. Original hands should extend to chapter according to the gilt experts. Price is still not right, even for head only with that insert. I would just do the due diligence of UV and Geiger check as well. If all checks out, then it’s a really good deal...why something doesn’t seem right and maybe price was incorrect?


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[kans86]

Originally Posted by lovegmt73

I think crown is too big.
Do you have photos of movement?
Does it retain its butterfly rotor?


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This is movement. What's butterfly rotor?





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[kans86]

Originally Posted by 1watch

Hands do look good, but are replaced. Original hands should extend to chapter according to the gilt experts. Price is still not right, even for head only with that insert. I would just do the due diligence of UV and Geiger check as well. If all checks out, then it’s a really good deal...why something doesn’t seem right and maybe price was incorrect?


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Did you think all the hands could be replaced or only the minute hand? How about the GMT hand?

[Tom1675]

Originally Posted by kans86

Many thanks. Do you happen to know if it is not too difficult to source a correct insert and how much it may cost? My friend is looking at around 16-17k Euro so I wonder how much it would add up with the correct insert, bracelet and even a set of hands as well.

Fat Font red back, they're around and will run you $3.5-4k (not a typo). The dial on this piece has a great tropical hue which makes it a lot more valuable to many buyers.

[kans86]

Can anyone tell if these inserts are correct to the 1675? Any I have some more photos.











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[1watch]

Insert should have a short and wide triangle at the top and the ring should have deeper teeth. Look at the post nearby on “‘67 Pepsi” for comparison on the insert. It also has a color tone for an earlier gilt like this example. The rotor is also correct and is named “butterfly” due to the cut outs on the rotor sides that look like wings. Did your friend get U.V. and Geiger info? If that checks out and they can buy for the price you shared, it’s a good deal, as the insert and correct bezel ring can be sourced. I know a bit about the current pricing, as I’ve been in the market for one of these recently.


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[kans86]

Originally Posted by 1watch

Insert should have a short and wide triangle at the top and the ring should have deeper teeth. Look at the post nearby on “‘67 Pepsi” for comparison on the insert. It also has a color tone for an earlier gilt like this example. The rotor is also correct and is named “butterfly” due to the cut outs on the rotor sides that look like wings. Did your friend get U.V. and Geiger info? If that checks out and they can buy for the price you shared, it’s a good deal, as the insert and correct bezel ring can be sourced. I know a bit about the current pricing, as I’ve been in the market for one of these recently.


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Thank you very much. My friend will get the UV test.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by 1watch

Insert should have a short and wide triangle at the top and the ring should have deeper teeth. Look at the post nearby on “‘67 Pepsi” for comparison on the insert. It also has a color tone for an earlier gilt like this example. The rotor is also correct and is named “butterfly” due to the cut outs on the rotor sides that look like wings. Did your friend get U.V. and Geiger info? If that checks out and they can buy for the price you shared, it’s a good deal, as the insert and correct bezel ring can be sourced. I know a bit about the current pricing, as I’ve been in the market for one of these recently.


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The last Gilt bezel ring I saw for sale was around $2k, they are rare but do come up for sale now and again. You need one like this.

[kans86]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

The last Gilt bezel ring I saw for sale was around $2k, they are rare but do come up for sale now and again. You need one like this.

That ring is sharp. Thanks How do you think about the hands? Are yhey easy to source?

[kans86]

Originally Posted by 1watch

Looks solid from pics. Case decent, crown guards still have proper facets, dial has nice tobacco tone. Hands look to be replaced at some point, as minute hand should have pointy tip that extends to chapter ring. Has seller provided U.V. light pic/video and Geiger reading? I would need both of those items. If all good and he ends up buying, I would suggest swapping the insert for a nice, correct early gilt version and get a 7206 bracelet with either 58 or 80 end links.


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Will a 7206 bracelet with 65 end link be fit for the 1675 a well? I found one nearby.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by kans86

Will a 7206 bracelet with 65 end link be fit for the 1675 a well? I found one nearby.

You really need a 7206 with 58 end links for a GMT, but some members here have 7206 with 80 end links which have been fitted from new on there 1675's. I think it all depended on what the AD had at the time!

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by kans86

That ring is sharp. Thanks How do you think about the hands? Are yhey easy to source?

They do appear from time to time but they won't be cheap!

[1watch]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

They do appear from time to time but they won't be cheap!

Agree with Lee on the endlinks and hands. Either 58 or 80 will fit and work well on a 7206. While it’s always nice to have all original parts, not sure the hands in this case are worth the trouble. If current ones match well in person, probably just leave them alone.


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[kans86]

Originally Posted by kans86

Will a 7206 bracelet with 65 end link be fit for the 1675 a well? I found one nearby.

Originally Posted by lee fowler

You really need a 7206 with 58 end links for a GMT, but some members here have 7206 with 80 end links which have been fitted from new on there 1675's. I think it all depended on what the AD had at the time!

Thank you Is it possible to have a 7206 then find the 58 end links?