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28 March 2020, 07:46 AM | #91 |
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Isn't it by buying lots of other pieces? I bought an Aquanaut from a SoCal AD back in 2004 or so (back when nobody seemed to like them). A few years later I finally have the money to purchase a Nautilus (always wanted a simple and complication PP). When I called the AD back, they almost laughed at me, telling me it takes more than an Aquanaut to build a relationship. They then mentioned how they have customers buying jewelry and other pieces on a yearly basis. So my question is the same I asked them: is building a relashionship based solely on how much money you spend? never mind your passion or true interest in the brand (I grew up a few hours from Geneva and visited the Patek boutique many times as a teen) So I ended up paying the premium and bought my Nautilus on the grey market. I had no other way to get one, since I'm not relationship material... |
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Yes totally. Just be patient
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I mean absolutely no disrespect to anybody, but those that say "build a relationship" as if this is just something easily done either have a relationship because they were in the game long before the hype, they are great customers for other product, or they truly found an AD that puts a value on collectors. As a newer customer, I've been told directly and indirectly by multiple PP AD's there's nothing I can do to ever get a Nautilus or an Aquanaut in the foreseeable future short of buying other watches that add up way beyond what any premium ever was or will be. I have zero issue with this at all - it's business. AD's are free to sell how and to who they want, and if you as a potential customer don't like it, don't patronize them. Maybe it'll change some day. Maybe it won't. |
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There are alot of ADs like mine. Again, think you got dealt a bad hand with the one you're mentioning, but please stop saying its not possible. |
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I understand the AD are free to sell how and to whom they want. I also understand that they would sell hot items to their most loyal customers as well. I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything about the "relationship" building. I did take exception with that AD about the fact that I was into Aquanauts way before it was "hot" (they had every models available back then) and got zero credit for it, actually a bit of an attitude if I'm honest. Compare that with the Patek Salon in Geneva giving a full hour tour to a 18 year old with no watch who's just a fan. They were pure class! |
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Relationships matter very little when there are several hundred clients looking for the same piece. Your Money should be the relationship builder and when your AD says "customers who spend 300k a year can't even get one, sorry," only YOU yourself can make a decision/judgement on said relationship and its importance to your daily life.
Some of the thought process behind "the relationship" is just idiotic. If you can't read between the lines, 9 times out of 10, it's the AD's way of politely saying sorry, while getting you to spend money on stuff you didn't want. Pretty slick and effective. I would do the same thing if I was an AD needing to generate income all year round, despite having only 4 watches for 500 customers. Eff the relationship. Bring your money. And if what you want isn't available, just wait and/or deal with it. Jeez. |
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Quite true. However, try buying a "hot piece" from the Salon and see how far that goes. Nowhere. Fast. Unless Swiss or "VIP," and with an established relationship with the Salon.
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Im starting to see 5167As with B&P at around 27K retail right now. They are coming way down.
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I do
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If it ever gets 25k, I’ll take one
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Here is just one example, it includes B&P as well. It was available when I posted above.
C24 doesnt count because most of the dealers on there dont actually have a watch on hand. They source them when it sells so they probably arent going to drop the listed price. You have to search for private sellers who physically have a watch in their hands.
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Its more secure for a buyer as long as you are verified through PayPal and dont deviate from the payment methods that eBay wants you to use. If you do then there is buyer protection.
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It has already sold at that price.
The seller has been on eBay since 04 and has over 2500 sales as a seller. Mostly in coins and precious metals. I see a few watches that have been sold but not many. Looks like they are just taking advantage of the dropping prices.
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There may be a few that do but my guess is that a majority of them do not.
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Indeed. I also, take the view that the advertised price is the start of the negotiation. That being said, the lowest price is till $29k, which is way too high
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I purchased a 2 tone Sub, a Day Date II, a Patek Travel Time, a Panerai, and an IWC 5002. Not sure the exact numbers but all at retail. I have also purchased several pm deployants over the years along with all my straps and service. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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man..I recently bought a 5164 for 44k. thinking now I should have waited.
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Sadly, I have given up on AD’s in general. I buy from a few trusted “grays” and my vintage stuff from some trusted TRF members. I don’t get too wrapped up on MSRP as this number applies only to the people that can build the AD relationship. I also do not look at watches as appreciating assets, if I like it and am willing to pay the asking price, I buy it. I’ve been fortunate on some purchases and taken a bath on others.
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I wonder what % of grey inventory is 1. AD selling to co conspirators and then splitting the profits later. 2. Big spenders who flip to offset their spending a bit 3. Buyers who bought one or two pieces that are hot now, without any big fanfare prior to 2017, but "sold high" after the big jump from 2017-to-date. |
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Sadly , I had a great AD and had a great relationship. Bought a 5990 & 5711R last year and PP closed the door on him due to their reduction in Us Ad’s. Bought my wife a 24 this year and a 5723 blue. I have several others and it’s obvious I love fine timepieces but in trying to find a new ad is almost impossible.I want to purchase a 5168 blue and a 5711 SS or maybe a 5726 on bracelet blue. Always the same sad story - buy some other pieces I have no desire or need of then- maybe. Soooo I guess I will have to limp along w my present collection. :-))wahhh
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