Vintage 1601’s skyrocketing over 1600’s and 1603’s?

[tkc324]

[QUOTE=Richard Carver;9635182]

Originally Posted by tkc324

A member called Powerfunk has done an amazing job tracking down Rolex logo dials, you might find this interesting...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=636386

Wow that’s pretty incredible. Thanks for sharing!

[Giacomohk]

Originally Posted by mineral

The 1601 is classic Datejust which eventually will capture collector heart.

The early version with white gold coin bezel or dauphine hand are slightly unique and beautiful in my opinion.

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Hi Mineral, nice to meet you, is my first post here. i just bought a 1601 with dauphine hands and dial very similar as your, here below a poor quality pic (sorry!). The serial number (which is in the 800k) is carved on the lower side of the case as usual but there is not the "Stainless Steel" writing on top of it. May I ask if it is the same case with your watch?
Thanks
Giacomo

[SubMarine]

Nice pieces in this thread!

[watchyouseek]

Originally Posted by 77T

Not once the collector market turns its attention to these 4-digit DJ’s...you’ll start to see the same obsession with originality like Vintage Subs now.

Low production dials (relatively speaking) like the wide boy or linen will soar above the crowded stick dialed Models methinks.


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Low production?

True provenance - 3 generations, late grandpa to dad and now mine.






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[SubMarine]

Originally Posted by watchyouseek

Low production?

True provenance - 3 generations, late grandpa to dad and now mine.






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That may be the most attractive wideboy variation I have ever seen.

[77T]

Originally Posted by watchyouseek

Low production?

True provenance - 3 generations, late grandpa to dad and now mine.






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Yes the wide boy dials were not produced in the same quantity as the stick dial we were discussing a month ago.

I like them too...




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[watchyouseek]

Originally Posted by SubMarine

That may be the most attractive wideboy variation I have ever seen.

Thank you mate. I am loving it too!


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[watchyouseek]

Originally Posted by 77T

Yes the wide boy dials were not produced in the same quantity as the stick dial we were discussing a month ago.

I like them too...




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Any ideas from what period were wide boys produced ?

Also, I note sigma dials would mean the hands and indices are also in white gold . What about those without the sigma, would that mean the hands and indices are in steel?


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[77T]

From the 1960’s to 1977, when Rolex released the 180xx reference.

But as we were discussing this market could get over-heated, you might find dials being swapped, etc.

Did you get the original papers to the one handed down to you?

The sigma dials were a part of a plan to differentiate plated hands vs solid gold - a good history is here: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/what-is-a-sigma-dial


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[watchyouseek]

No, original box and papers were lost by my grandpa when moving house. To him, these were not important as the watch never left his wrist.


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[77T]

Well as a sigma dial yours was likely made in the 1970’s. Mine was earlier - 1969 to 1970 production so doesn’t show a sigma dial.

That hodinkee article will help you learn more about your dial.


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[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by SubMarine

Please show me original mint 1601's for 3k, and I will buy each and every single one.

There is nothing "basic" about the 1601 -- it's a member of Rolex's flagship product line with the pie-pan dial variation that will never be produced again. We are not talking about 33-34mm Dates, OPs, and Precisions, here.

IMO, you are placing far too much emphasis on the 160X dial. They are abundantly available, whereas unpolished cases with matching bracelets are extremely rare and difficult to find.

Like this tt sigma dial? (I have the bracelet as well!)

[harry in montreal]

Richard, do you think the value of mid grade 1601s is up because if the interchangeability of the movements with the 70s subs? This was my guess that a good complete 1560 or 1570 is now pretty desirable part since the subs are so expensive. Love the cotton Tudors. Harry

[SubMarine]

All Rolex DJ/DD indices and hands are made of solid gold, regardless of the sigma designation or not.

Originally Posted by 77T

From the 1960’s to 1977, when Rolex released the 180xx reference.

But as we were discussing this market could get over-heated, you might find dials being swapped, etc.

Did you get the original papers to the one handed down to you?

The sigma dials were a part of a plan to differentiate plated hands vs solid gold - a good history is here: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/what-is-a-sigma-dial


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[SubMarine]

Also, the fact that it was a minor upgrade cost to go the Day Date route back then increases the scarcity of the 160X references.

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Richard, do you think the value of mid grade 1601s is up because if the interchangeability of the movements with the 70s subs? This was my guess that a good complete 1560 or 1570 is now pretty desirable part since the subs are so expensive. Love the cotton Tudors. Harry

[77T]

Originally Posted by SubMarine

All Rolex DJ/DD indices and hands are made of solid gold, regardless of the sigma designation or not.

Yep - at that time Rolex and many others were all solid gold already - are are still gold today. It just became a hot topic in ‘70’s and Sigma dials became a flash in the pan for a decade or so.

When you read that article I posted you’ll see the reason was all about differentiating for one reason or another.


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[SubMarine]

I’ve read that article far earlier than when you posted it. My post was meant as a rebuttal to your post mentioning “plated” hardware. The point is Rolex never used plated hardware, whether or not the dial has sigma designations.

Originally Posted by 77T

Yep - at that time Rolex and many others were all solid gold already - are are still gold today. It just became a hot topic in ‘70’s and Sigma dials became a flash in the pan for a decade or so.

When you read that article I posted you’ll see the reason was all about differentiating for one reason or another.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by SubMarine

I’ve read that article far earlier than when you posted it. My post was meant as a rebuttal to your post mentioning “plated” hardware. The point is Rolex never used plated hardware, whether or not the dial has sigma designations.

You inferred something I didn’t say. I did say plated but not in reference to Rolex.

My comment was about the other manufacturers who were using plated hardware on dials.

So the sigma dial was meant to differentiate.


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[steeevvvooo]

Picked this up recently, early 70s linen sigma dial. Am sure it's been polished along the way and has no papers (I'll get it serviced eventually so that can be rectified). Timeless IMO.



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[rootbeer7]

How this feed has turned catty and sniping is beyond me. Let’s play nicely and enjoy some great watches.

[Harmon Rabb]

Recently bought a 1601 with papers and no box. It happens to have a sigma dial. The bracelet is older than the watch, but is in good condition. The watch seems less polished than most 1601 I´ve seen. I could not resist buying it. When I first started looking for a 1601 they where less expensive. But still I think they are more value for money than most other vintage Rolex which I think are crazy money these days. I own a few of those too but would never buy them for what they ask these days. I would never pay twice the money for a new Rolex watch either second hand like the GMT or Daytona. Watches that are still in production.

It´s to much printed money from centralbanks all over the world with easy consumer credits and house loans. Once that music stops maybe it can get back to normal again.

[watchyouseek]

Originally Posted by Harmon Rabb

Recently bought a 1601 with papers and no box. It happens to have a sigma dial. The bracelet is older than the watch, but is in good condition. The watch seems less polished than most 1601 I´ve seen. I could not resist buying it. When I first started looking for a 1601 they where less expensive. But still I think they are more value for money than most other vintage Rolex which I think are crazy money these days. I own a few of those too but would never buy them for what they ask these days. I would never pay twice the money for a new Rolex watch either second hand like the GMT or Daytona. Watches that are still in production.



It´s to much printed money from centralbanks all over the world with easy consumer credits and house loans. Once that music stops maybe it can get back to normal again.

Nice 1601 mate. I will never pay twice the money as well for a modern sports Rolex.

Meanwhile enjoying mine


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[Andad]

Very nice Wys.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally Posted by watchyouseek

Nice 1601 mate. I will never pay twice the money as well for a modern sports Rolex.

Meanwhile enjoying mine


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Thanks. Yours is very nice too.

[carwashchris]

[QUOTE=Richard Carver;9635182]

Originally Posted by tkc324

A member called Powerfunk has done an amazing job tracking down Rolex logo dials, you might find this interesting...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=636386

Wow thanks for the link, and rest of the posters . I have filled my 1600 slot and looking for a 1601 . A sharp WG fluted bezel really set these apart IMO.

Chris

[candy287]

wish i could post a photo but i snatched a 1603 with a jubilee bracelet for a decent price. as far as if everything is original i dont know, hopefully i can post photos for all the expert to comment

[SubMarine]

Your lume hands are mismatched to your no-lume Dial.

Originally Posted by 77T

Yes the wide boy dials were not produced in the same quantity as the stick dial we were discussing a month ago.

I like them too...




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[77T]

Originally Posted by SubMarine

Your lume hands are mismatched to your no-lume Dial.

No it was all original. Did you note the dial is a T Swiss T version?




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[acesguerra]

Here is my 1601
1.9xx,xxx
Matte black tritium dial


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[acesguerra]

Originally Posted by acesguerra

Here is my 1601
1.9xx,xxx
Matte black tritium dial


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