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arnisador · 13 April 2010, 02:31 AM

Hello forum members,
I'm new to the forum,and i hope if you guys can help me out.
I have a submariner 1680 238xxxx and i belive it is circa 1967.

however the dial was replaced in the 80's due damage and wear, my dial is a
"WHITE" submariner,and i do not remember if the original was "red" or not.

My questions is was "ROLEX" making "WHITES" AND "REDS" in 1967?

Can i find out from the serial no. if mine was "red"?

Is there a diffirence in value in a vintage 1967 "reds" and "whites"?

i'll appriciate any help on the matter.

Lamone · 13 April 2010, 04:57 AM

Shalom chaver

Welcome to TRF, it's a great place

I cannot help you with your 1680.
However, there's tremendous wealth of information on here. I'm sure one of TRF's savant will have the answer you need.

Renoir · 13 April 2010, 05:11 AM

The first 1680s through 1973 were "red".

Davvan · 13 April 2010, 05:33 AM

The first release of the red dial in 1967 (the earliest serial known to the author is 2,02X,XXX) and featured the “200 meters/600 ft” dial.

Above text copy pasted from www.doubleredseadweller.com

SLS · 13 April 2010, 05:39 AM

Your White 1680 with a Red serial is worth more than a standard White 1680. You can source a period correct Red 1680 dial, though they are not cheap.
Scott

MitchSteel · 13 April 2010, 05:48 AM

Agreed, Its all in the serial number.congrats.

RLX-lvr · 13 April 2010, 05:49 AM

With that serial I think it would be 68/69, and red meters first dial.
There is a dial on the market for that serial range going for $5000 usd right now.

mike · 13 April 2010, 06:08 AM

As stated, that serial number is a RED.

arnisador · 13 April 2010, 04:32 PM

Thank you forum members,for the warm greetings and the help.
It seems this forum is class act.
In your opinion, is it worth to invest in a "red" dial to my watch since it was probebly "red" originally? is it worth the extra money and increasing it's worth?
G.

arnisador · 13 April 2010, 04:46 PM

Thank you guys for the warm welcome,and the help and knowledge.
This forum is class act.

Do you think it is worth to invest in a "red" dial, since my watch was probebly originaly "red"?

will it's value increase the same as the cost of a dial? [4k-5k]
Guy.

RLX-lvr · 13 April 2010, 05:08 PM

I wouldn't hesitate to put a correct dial in it at all.
And yes, it would be worth that investment to have the correct dial, IMHO.

arnisador · 13 April 2010, 05:17 PM

Thank you RLX.
I guess i'll start saving for a "red" dial... it's like buying a new watch..

So i'll start looking for one..

arnisador · 13 April 2010, 06:45 PM

I'll strat working on it then,
that just killed my next watch plans..

But i guess i should make this watch right first..

Thanks for the input.

therolexguy · 14 April 2010, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnisador

I'll strat working on it then,
that just killed my next watch plans..

But i guess i should make this watch right first..

Thanks for the input.

There's nothing wrong with a white 1680 btw. If you were looking at another watch, why not buy that one and then save for a correct dial? It sounds like you might have had one on your mind, either way the hunting is FUN!

arnisador · 14 April 2010, 07:10 PM

Yes hunting is fun, i was just kidding..

However this sub is sort of family heirlum,and i would realy like to set it right, as it deserves.

Meaning if it was "red" it should be return to "red" especialy when i understand it is very early 1680.

As for the one i was eyeballing..it just got it..not a rolex,but a nice mid 60's
ETERNA kontiki super.
now i start the savings for that elusive "red" dial..

mike · 14 April 2010, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnisador

Thank you forum members,for the warm greetings and the help.
It seems this forum is class act.
In your opinion, is it worth to invest in a "red" dial to my watch since it was probebly "red" originally? is it worth the extra money and increasing it's worth?
G.

Adding a proper RED dial would certainly add to the value of the watch, but it would be important to get the correct dial for the era.

Here's a bit of information to help with the correct dial for the serial number range.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=30759

arnisador · 15 April 2010, 02:57 AM

Thank you Mike for the info.
Just so i'll get it right..from what i figured out is that i should look for
a RED dial- meters first for my watch?
Guy.

mike · 15 April 2010, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnisador

Thank you Mike for the info.
Just so i'll get it right..from what i figured out is that i should look for
a RED dial- meters first for my watch?
Guy.

I would lean toward a meters first, but there's no exact science. That serial number puts it late 69 to me. Rolex change over is famous. Definately open 6's if you went feet first, but I think meters first would be more appropriate.

arnisador · 15 April 2010, 06:57 AM

I hope i'm not mistaken here, but by checking ROLEX serial no.
it showed me 1967-2163900
1968-2426800
1969-2689700
My watch is 238xxxx so i presumed it is 1967
Is that wrong?

SLS · 15 April 2010, 07:25 AM

Serial numbers are not an exact science, but close. What date is the caseback stamped? I'm guessing with that serial you are closer to 68-69.
Scott

mike · 15 April 2010, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnisador

I hope i'm not mistaken here, but by checking ROLEX serial no.
it showed me 1967-2163900
1968-2426800
1969-2689700
My watch is 238xxxx so i presumed it is 1967
Is that wrong?

This is about the best site I've found for dating, but as Scott says the inside case back is much better.

http://www.oysterworld.de/1/index.htm

13 April 2010, 02:31 AM	#1
arnisador Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Guy Location: Israel Watch: submariner 1680 Posts: 24	vintage 1680 Hello forum members, I'm new to the forum,and i hope if you guys can help me out. I have a submariner 1680 238xxxx and i belive it is circa 1967. however the dial was replaced in the 80's due damage and wear, my dial is a "WHITE" submariner,and i do not remember if the original was "red" or not. My questions is was "ROLEX" making "WHITES" AND "REDS" in 1967? Can i find out from the serial no. if mine was "red"? Is there a diffirence in value in a vintage 1967 "reds" and "whites"? i'll appriciate any help on the matter.

13 April 2010, 05:33 AM	#4
Davvan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: David Location: Location Location Watch: out..make way!! Posts: 725	The first release of the red dial in 1967 (the earliest serial known to the author is 2,02X,XXX) and featured the “200 meters/600 ft” dial. Above text copy pasted from www.doubleredseadweller.com __________________ Mare Nostrum

13 April 2010, 05:39 AM	#5
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,399	Your White 1680 with a Red serial is worth more than a standard White 1680. You can source a period correct Red 1680 dial, though they are not cheap. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

13 April 2010, 05:48 AM	#6
MitchSteel "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: MDangerSteel Location: Canada Watch: Vintage Rolex Posts: 2,301	Agreed, Its all in the serial number.congrats. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival---Capt. Rage Don't believe anything in aviation, 'till V1---Mitch Danger Steel

15 April 2010, 07:25 AM	#20
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,399	Serial numbers are not an exact science, but close. What date is the caseback stamped? I'm guessing with that serial you are closer to 68-69. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

13 April 2010, 04:57 AM	#2
Lamone Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NYC Watch: ya mawt! Posts: 3,448	Shalom chaver Welcome to TRF, it's a great place I cannot help you with your 1680. However, there's tremendous wealth of information on here. I'm sure one of TRF's savant will have the answer you need.

13 April 2010, 05:11 AM	#3
Renoir "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: New York Posts: 2,396	The first 1680s through 1973 were "red".

13 April 2010, 05:49 AM	#7
RLX-lvr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: Toronto Posts: 1,947	With that serial I think it would be 68/69, and red meters first dial. There is a dial on the market for that serial range going for $5000 usd right now.

13 April 2010, 06:08 AM	#8
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	As stated, that serial number is a RED.

13 April 2010, 04:32 PM	#9
arnisador Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Guy Location: Israel Watch: submariner 1680 Posts: 24	Thank you forum members,for the warm greetings and the help. It seems this forum is class act. In your opinion, is it worth to invest in a "red" dial to my watch since it was probebly "red" originally? is it worth the extra money and increasing it's worth? G.

13 April 2010, 04:46 PM	#10
arnisador Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Guy Location: Israel Watch: submariner 1680 Posts: 24	Thank you guys for the warm welcome,and the help and knowledge. This forum is class act. Do you think it is worth to invest in a "red" dial, since my watch was probebly originaly "red"? will it's value increase the same as the cost of a dial? [4k-5k] Guy.

13 April 2010, 05:08 PM	#11
RLX-lvr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: Toronto Posts: 1,947	I wouldn't hesitate to put a correct dial in it at all. And yes, it would be worth that investment to have the correct dial, IMHO.

13 April 2010, 05:17 PM	#12
arnisador Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Guy Location: Israel Watch: submariner 1680 Posts: 24	Thank you RLX. I guess i'll start saving for a "red" dial... it's like buying a new watch.. So i'll start looking for one..

13 April 2010, 06:45 PM	#13
arnisador Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Guy Location: Israel Watch: submariner 1680 Posts: 24	I'll strat working on it then, that just killed my next watch plans.. But i guess i should make this watch right first.. Thanks for the input.

14 April 2010, 07:10 PM	#15
arnisador Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Guy Location: Israel Watch: submariner 1680 Posts: 24	Yes hunting is fun, i was just kidding.. However this sub is sort of family heirlum,and i would realy like to set it right, as it deserves. Meaning if it was "red" it should be return to "red" especialy when i understand it is very early 1680. As for the one i was eyeballing..it just got it..not a rolex,but a nice mid 60's ETERNA kontiki super. now i start the savings for that elusive "red" dial..

15 April 2010, 02:57 AM	#17
arnisador Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Guy Location: Israel Watch: submariner 1680 Posts: 24	Thank you Mike for the info. Just so i'll get it right..from what i figured out is that i should look for a RED dial- meters first for my watch? Guy.

15 April 2010, 06:57 AM	#19
arnisador Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Guy Location: Israel Watch: submariner 1680 Posts: 24	I hope i'm not mistaken here, but by checking ROLEX serial no. it showed me 1967-2163900 1968-2426800 1969-2689700 My watch is 238xxxx so i presumed it is 1967 Is that wrong?

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