16710 with 3186 cost

[Austin in Japan]

Originally Posted by SeaDweller50

Funny how the 16570 with 3186 is a fraction of the price, and as rare.

The 16710 with the 3186 is much more rare because they ended it earlier than the 16570.

[BillA]

If you want to pay a premium for the 3186 movement, then Barnum was right.

[Chester01]

It’s unbelievable that any of the 5 digit GMT’s are selling at what they are. Incredibly mass produced, due to the bezel colors likely far more 5 digit GMT’s than 5 digit subs out there and the prices are insane. I mean in my estimation there is glut of gmt out there and if someone wants to pay that, be my guest. I mean the Daytona is over hyped but at least one can can say well it’s only been out since 2016 and so there is not a ton out there...yet. The GMT’s literally thousands. The premium for the 3186 is laughable as the previous movement was incredibly reliable and robust and for me better tested due to years in service.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by SearChart

The 3186 is slightly more complicated than the 85. It has a loose spring that is fit on the GMT wheel and this makes the hour click.

When this movement first came out it had a pretty weak spring, it broke quite often and many had to be repaired under warranty.
The spring was updated in early 2016-ish. Now if you have the old one still it will be replaced for the updated version during service.

I posted some pictures of the different springs a long time ago, can't find them right now but if I do I'll attach them later.

Guess I’m lucky. My 116710 from fall of 2007 (early M serial) is still going strong and hasn’t seen its first service yet.

I remember at the time I purchased, you could still obtain the 16710, and there was speculation that the 3186 ones could be worth more. People were divided, as they were about the future valuations of the Kermits. Guess the naysayers were wrong as these models are stupid expensive now.


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[Casey VP-26]

Interesting opinions, Time will tell.

[jaisonline]

Wise words.

Originally Posted by SearChart

I prefer the 3185, no stupid spring system that breaks. And the 3186 still has some hands wiggle due to gear play. It is not a significant upgrade and paying this amount of money for that is crazy.
Fortunately it is dumb rich people being scammed

[Soarer]

Originally Posted by TheDude

Guess the naysayers were wrong as these models are stupid expensive now.


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It's stupid expensive 'cos it's for stupid people.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Soarer

It's stupid expensive 'cos it's for stupid people.

Exactly that or more for the internet hype Rolex so called collector.

[mmaggi]

Doesn't make sense to me to spend $18k-$25k for a SS 5 digit GMT and I own an F-series GMT-II. Why give in to the hype?

For that money you can buy a nice PM GMT, Sub or Daytona. Better still, you can buy a Patek or Vacheron.

[iTreelex]

[NIHO]

Originally Posted by SearChart

They fixed it on the 3186, the updated one doesn't break no matter how much you play with the jump hour.

The 3285 is a bit different but so far no issues with that mechanism and I do not expect issues to arise there either.

thanks again for the info.

[socialpro]

Originally Posted by jezza17

To the OP, I would say get what your heart tells you. The rarity of the 16710 with 3186 means it’s always going to fetch a premium if you do ever decide to sell it and with the way prices are going it will invariably continue to rise. Good luck with your decision.

This. You can start unwinding the entire watch hobby with the arguments made on this thread - but in the end of the day it is ALL lunacy, and these timepieces are only worth what someone is willing to pay. No one can ultimately tell you how to enjoy what is inside or outside of your watch and the price to put on that.

Get what sings to you best!!

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

Doesn't make sense to me to spend $18k-$25k for a SS 5 digit GMT and I own an F-series GMT-II. Why give in to the hype?

For that money you can buy a nice PM GMT, Sub or Daytona. Better still, you can buy a Patek or Vacheron.

This!!!


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[iTreelex]

It is so sad that people just kneel down to the hype. I almost did with the daytona/ 3186 exp 2/gmt. It's just excessive and ridiculous.

[horseShu]

i believe that people aren't stupid.
people don't necessarily believe the hype, but they do want to cash in on it.

[sillo]

I don't see how the 3186 watches are anymore hyped up then something like a 16550 cream rail dial, a red 1680, blackout 14270, etc. It's all "hype" and that's what's part of collecting. Little things that make a specific version of a reference relatively rare. Why are matte 16800s so much more than glossy? Is that just hype? I mean they are functionally identical.

I personally wouldn't pay a huge premium for a 16710 with a 3186, but I'm not going to poo poo someone if they think it's a cool purchase.

[GMT Aviator]

I have one, a Pepsi, purchased before the hyperbull surrounding it took off.

There is no way I’d pay a premium for it.

The 3185 movement is less prone to failure in my experiences.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by BillA

If you want to pay a premium for the 3186 movement, then Barnum was right.

Originally Posted by Soarer

It's stupid expensive 'cos it's for stupid people.

Originally Posted by Chester01

It’s unbelievable that any of the 5 digit GMT’s are selling at what they are. Incredibly mass produced, due to the bezel colors likely far more 5 digit GMT’s than 5 digit subs out there and the prices are insane. I mean in my estimation there is glut of gmt out there and if someone wants to pay that, be my guest. I mean the Daytona is over hyped but at least one can can say well it’s only been out since 2016 and so there is not a ton out there...yet. The GMT’s literally thousands. The premium for the 3186 is laughable as the previous movement was incredibly reliable and robust and for me better tested due to years in service.

Originally Posted by iTreelex

It is so sad that people just kneel down to the hype. I almost did with the daytona/ 3186 exp 2/gmt. It's just excessive and ridiculous.

So you don’t have one?

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by Andad

So you don’t have one?

Lol. Listen, in my opinion the 5 digit GMT is the most versatile watch rolex ever made. The bracelet options, the bezel options, the fantastic proportions, time/date/time zones, etc.

If I own another Rolex, it will be a 5 digit coke/Pepsi, but there is no way I can justify the premiums they are putting on them. But I am patient man and will wait it out. I got my Daytona (116520 and later gifted to my wife) at MSRP, it only took 14 years.


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[ADR1982]

Wouldnt pay a premium for a 3186. All this jazz about it being worth much more is not reflected in the super long times it takes to sell them at those rates. See marketplace and davidsw for how long that inventory sits. The more niche you go, the harder it is to sell. I have an F 16710 that I love and I cant believe the premium on the normal 3185 to begin with.

[iTreelex]

Originally Posted by Andad

So you don’t have one?

No sir I don't because I was too young when they were just pocket change

Don't assume our objection to a hype watch is caused by our inability to afford one and your flex to show off is just folly. The 5 digit pepsi never interested me

[Hotrod297]

Save your money. An overrated watch, pure hype.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by iTreelex

No sir I don't because I was too young when they were just pocket change

Don't assume our objection to a hype watch is caused by our inability to afford one and your flex to show off is just folly. The 5 digit pepsi never interested me

You inability to afford one or not was not brought up by me but by you.

I bought my M in ‘08. IIRC Aus$5600.00 when the US RoE was one for one.

No ‘flex’ from me, it was just a Pepsi GMT to me when I bought it and still is.

I had no idea at the time if Rolex were continuing production of this model or not.

If this model is of no interest to you and any others why are you all banging on about it so much.

Go pick on another model like a 16610LV or a SS Daytona or something.

As for your I think it’s time you grew up.

Ps. You missed the in my previous post?

[Andad]

I agree, but was your post really worth the possible outcome?

It’s just a watch, should I be embarrassed just because I own one?

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by Andad

You inability to afford one or not was not brought up by me but by you.

I bought my M in ‘08. IIRC Aus$5600.00 when the US RoE was one for one.

No ‘flex’ from me, it was just a Pepsi GMT to me when I bought it and still is.

I had no idea at the time if Rolex were continuing production of this model or not.

If this model is of no interest to you and any others why are you all banging on about it so much.

Go pick on another model like a 16610LV or a SS Daytona or something.

As for your I think it’s time you grew up.

Ps. You missed the in my previous post?

That's the best, buying it for retail before the hype and not caring. Because it is just a watch

[iTreelex]

Originally Posted by Andad

You inability to afford one or not was not brought up by me but by you.

I bought my M in ‘08. IIRC Aus$5600.00 when the US RoE was one for one.

No ‘flex’ from me, it was just a Pepsi GMT to me when I bought it and still is.

I had no idea at the time if Rolex were continuing production of this model or not.

If this model is of no interest to you and any others why are you all banging on about it so much.

Go pick on another model like a 16610LV or a SS Daytona or something.

As for your I think it’s time you grew up.

Ps. You missed the in my previous post?

I didn't miss the and I ask that you don't put words in my mouth regarding affording an overrated watch much like the 2 you mentioned subsequently because the thread is about the premium over the GMT so cost is the talk here. You even mentioning the price and serial is a passive aggressive move my friend. I already picked on the LV and Daytona

Also, I'm okay not "growing up" on here as TRF is filled with 40+ year old children. I have a few decades to catch up to y'all. Don't miss my here

[Rado63]

The 3186 is not appreciated for it's mechanical robustness. The 3186 with stick or rectangular dial is appreciated because it isn't the most common configuration of the 16710 production run. Purchasing a 3186 in NOS condition and complete documentation and proven authenticity is a collectors piece. Pieces in this condition will become increasingly rare, fewer will be available for sale, and therefore increasingly more expensive or valuable with time. If I buy a 3186 NOS piece, there is really not a likelihood I will be wearing the watch. I will be preserving the watch. I buy what I enjoy to wear on the wrist. I purchase other assets as investments, but if you are a collector who buys watches as an investment then this makes sense to me to get the 3186 NOS.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by SearChart

That's the best, buying it for retail before the hype and not caring. Because it is just a watch

This was your pix of the 3185/3186 spring comparison Bas.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...4&postcount=12

[mrcsatx]

I thought about it too when looking for a 16710. Did a ton of research and read on the issues with the 3186 movement compared to the much more reliable 3185. So I saved a good 8 to 10K and went for the next best thing. Z serial 3185. Couldn't be happier .

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[SearChart]

Originally Posted by Andad

This was your pix of the 3185/3186 spring comparison Bas.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...4&postcount=12

That is both a 3186 spring, but one the weak first version and the other the updated good one

The 3185 has a pretty different system, with the whole clicking mechanism inside the GMT wheel, covered by a jewel plate.