Tired of the politically correct "investment police"

[Chewbacca]

I understand and appreciate the OP rant but ‘free soeach’ and private property rights and opt-in applications really needs to be explained better these days.

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by brandrea

It’s different for everyone Randy. I just wish the forum wasn’t as dominated by the investment threads as it is now.

I joined here to learn about the brand, and share my enthusiasm for mechanical watches for the pure joy of owning and wearing them.

Sure it’s nice to know they hold their value, but that’s about where it ends for me. YMMV

Agree Brian. I too feel it's become a bit much.

Certain members keep bumping value threads just to try and inflate values, basically just using TRF.

[Randy9999]

I could have (and should have) spoken more clearly in my original post... Yesterday a new member asked questions about the future value of a Rolex watch he had acquired, and at least a half dozen long-timers stomped on him pretty hard, one calling him "stupid," another mentioning his mental health, and a third questioning his intention for joining the forum in the first place. I was reacting to that. It wasn't that I was objecting to a new thread that I could just quietly ignore (which is great advice and something I do). Rather, I'm concerned about how we welcome (or, as I said, the opposite) newcomers who dare to mention the investment side of what is obviously an appreciating asset.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

I could have (and should have) spoken more clearly in my original post... Yesterday a new member asked questions about the future value of a Rolex watch he had acquired, and at least a half dozen long-timers stomped on him pretty hard, one calling him "stupid," another mentioning his mental health, and a third questioning his intention for joining the forum in the first place. I was reacting to that. It wasn't that I was objecting to a new thread that I could just quietly ignore (which is great advice and something I do). Rather, I'm concerned about how we welcome (or, as I said, the opposite) newcomers who dare to mention the investment side of what is obviously an appreciating asset.

This is a different topic altogether.

This place once had thicker skin and quite frankly, reading the rules (especially being a new lawyer, one of the examples you mentioned — c’mon — it was teed up for all) is really quite basic and you’re reminded to read them when registering.

But you’re right, and I agree that being mean isn’t right and it should be called out. But you should also expect the gears if you walk in it.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

This is a different topic altogether.



This place once had thicker skin and quite frankly, reading the rules (especially being a new lawyer, c’mon — it was teed up for all) is really quite basic and you’re reminded to read them when registering.



But you’re right, and I agree that being mean isn’t right and it should be called out.

Elwell said and I entirely agree my furry friend.

This forum should be a welcoming and friendly place to all.

I'm sure a few of those type responses are built up from reading hundreds of investment threads, with what seem to be never ending frequency. Thats no excuse, but simply a net effect

Everyone should be welcomed and treated respectfully.

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[Token74]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

I could have (and should have) spoken more clearly in my original post... Yesterday a new member asked questions about the future value of a Rolex watch he had acquired, and at least a half dozen long-timers stomped on him pretty hard, one calling him "stupid," another mentioning his mental health, and a third questioning his intention for joining the forum in the first place. I was reacting to that. It wasn't that I was objecting to a new thread that I could just quietly ignore (which is great advice and something I do). Rather, I'm concerned about how we welcome (or, as I said, the opposite) newcomers who dare to mention the investment side of what is obviously an appreciating asset.

In principle I fully agree with you on this, but then I don’t really have an issue with people giving consideration to future resale value when spending a big lump of cash on a luxury product, in fact it would arguably be reckless not to for most of us.

But equally, I can understand why it gets tedious for some folk, and we all have our triggers! My trigger is entitlement, and those that come on here to bemoan the fact that they can’t buy something they want, and how it’s not fair!! Arguably I should sympathise, but it drives me nuts.

Is nice to be nice, and generally speaking the majority of folk on here are pretty decent and generous with their advice and hard-earned knowledge, but you have to expect to get burned a little when first joining a forum, it’s part of the process!

Good on you though for looking out for new members


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[Token74]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Everyone should be welcomed and treated respectfully.

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Does that apply to Chewie each time he returns????


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[fsprow]

Personally I'd be happy if investment and pricing threads were not on the forum. And now that I think about it, no:
- Scratch elimination/avoidance and film protector threads
- Making up for one's lack of self confidence by asking random folks opinions as to watch choice, trades etc.
- Here's a photo of my new watch - look at me and my watch in an exclusive location
- I hate AD's
- I love my AD
- Ditto for resellers

But my better side recognizes that the forum is for a variety of people and interests - often different than mine, so let it roll.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

For the record, I've bought many incredible watches through the years, and I've never sold a single one. With that said, yes, I'm tired of people who demonize those who "ADMIT" (as if there's something nefarious to admit there) that they truly love — but still avidly track the market prices for — their Rolex watches. Such individuals pretend that one can't truly care about and appreciate intrinsic technical and aesthetic distinctions without completely ignoring free market economics. In their most malignant form, these politically correct Stasi resort to ridicule and outright abuse — and need to stop.

You're overstating the situation.

Relax. Enjoy your watches and do your thing.

There's no reason to invoke Godwin's law.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by token74

does that apply to chewie each time he returns????


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reported!!!

And it was ONE time! Arrrrrggghhhhh!!!!!

[Cru Jones]

It’s not about “political correctness”. It’s about the vision some have as to what TRF traditionally has been about.

Overall, I tend to think any kind of “watch talk” is better than no talk. And it’s not hard to tune out the “noise”. ;-)

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

reported!!!

And it was ONE time! Arrrrrggghhhhh!!!!!

Maybe he meant every morning?????

Welcome back today Chewy. MORNING....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWZFXLpXSA

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Maybe he meant every morning?????

Welcome back today Chewy. MORNING....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWZFXLpXSA

Aaaarrrrggghhhh! This place it make me age!!!!

[Token74]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

reported!!!

And it was ONE time! Arrrrrggghhhhh!!!!!

Lol


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[BLACKHORSE 6]

Originally Posted by Randy9999

For the record, I've bought many incredible watches through the years, and I've never sold a single one. With that said, yes, I'm tired of people who demonize those who "ADMIT" (as if there's something nefarious to admit there) that they truly love — but still avidly track the market prices for — their Rolex watches. Such individuals pretend that one can't truly care about and appreciate intrinsic technical and aesthetic distinctions without completely ignoring free market economics. In their most malignant form, these politically correct Stasi resort to ridicule and outright abuse — and need to stop.

Few people know about the Stasi these days and how bad they were. to the old Stasi, which I always say when I hear of them brought up in conversation.

Bringing it back to watches... I tend to agree with you. I've seen some pretty rough statements from people who make a lot of assumptions about the intentions of those asking questions that affect them as they are looking to acquire, own, or sell watches. A lot of times, their questions can be answered by a basic search of the forum, but that's no reason to unload on them.

The good thing about TRF is that the mods do a good job of keeping things on an even keel.

[BNA/LION]

One man's "Investment" is another man's "Watch" and if you happen to have the connections, finances and time to be a flipper then have at it.

I have to believe that if most people were given the opportunity to buy something low (especially that is in high demand) and sell it for a nice profit by simple posting an ad would do it. Personally I don't have the contacts and I have not sold or flipped a watch but I get why people do.

[Goin2drt]

Meanwhile I sure wish Rolex would give a now discontinued WG Sub to a famous "influencer". I need a better investment here and as of now I did not do well
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I think Kim K would lot hot in a blue sub although I am more of a Salma Hayek type.

[paxjedi]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I agree 100% with the sentiment...but am not bothered by the supercilious ramblings and pontificating any longer and don't really care if they continue or stop.

It's usually the same grumpy old men. If it's not investments, it's the feigned disgust with watch winders, caring about scratches, caring about a watch size or insisting that life is too short to wait more than a week for a watch.

Rant on purists...

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This!

[subtona]

I haven’t purchased any watches with intent to sell, and have only purchased my first watch from an AD. However I have sold most of them once I realized they didn’t satisfy me the way I had anticipated. Most of them took a loss when sold prior to the boom, a few have made things right after the boom.

As far as their appreciation, I just see it as a way I can further enjoy the hobby and get a new watch by trading my current watches and their improved value.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Booth9999

Agreed. There should be a place to ask these questions.

I've offered to pay for it(!) too.

Nad, nothing, zilch.

<crickets>

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Eh, ignore them and keep procuring BTC.

HODL

Ooops, meant to say TRF could VERY EASILY have a sub-board for those topics / discussions. Not sure why, yet TRF doesn't.... Maybe TRF is stuck without a decent programmer or software? Has TRF maxxed out their capabilities and abilities?

Why mods / Steve? How about a few good reasons why there's no separate board for such discussions? Have offered $$$ to have it done, and... nothing, nada, zilch.

Back to you Steve.

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

I've offered to pay for it(!) too.

Nad, nothing, zilch.

<crickets>

Keep this up, and see where it gets you.....

[superdog]

I sometimes wonder simply why is appears to hard to just be nice....

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

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Keep this up, and see where it gets you.....

that was funny!

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

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Keep this up, and see where it gets you.....

Yes dear, you're right dear.

Said my peace.

So, the Buccaneers and Brady. GOAT!!!

[NYMike]

Originally Posted by brandrea

It’s different for everyone Randy. I just wish the forum wasn’t as dominated by the investment threads as it is now.

I joined here to learn about the brand, and share my enthusiasm for mechanical watches for the pure joy of owning and wearing them.

Sure it’s nice to know they hold their value, but that’s about where it ends for me. YMMV

The reason it's so dominated by investment threads is simply the absolutely ridiculous prices on all pieces. It's a farce at this point that asking prices are increasing faster than just about any other products available in the market today. It will cool down a bit for most models, but it's like winning a lottery ticket today getting models that were up until a year ago, in great abundance. So naturally money's on people's minds.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by NYMike

The reason it's so dominated by investment threads is simply the absolutely ridiculous prices on all pieces. It's a farce at this point that asking prices are increasing faster than just about any other products available in the market today. It will cool down a bit for most models, but it's like winning a lottery ticket today getting models that were up until a year ago, in great abundance. So naturally money's on people's minds.

Great points.

(Bit of humor and truth-ish) I see most newbies fan flipper value player socialista as three-headed aliens destroying a part of humanity's soul in the most gutwrenching way. Worse still, they'd even hustle out their own brother for the latest drop.

Frankly, and this is not humor... Thank goodness we have AD's and those who act as a kind of 'gatekeeper'. How about we send the Aliens into high-end audio. Play it LOUD. Bass wars makes a comeback and all that.

[mountainjogger]

Originally Posted by brandrea

It’s different for everyone Randy. I just wish the forum wasn’t as dominated by the investment threads as it is now.

I joined here to learn about the brand, and share my enthusiasm for mechanical watches for the pure joy of owning and wearing them.

Sure it’s nice to know they hold their value, but that’s about where it ends for me. YMMV

Agree.

But OP, I will give you your due. There is no excuse to be rude when people say something we would rather not hear.

And I also consider it bad taste to poke fun at Chewie for his sabbatical at the Himalayan Ashram. We all seek enlightenment in our own way.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

Agree.



But OP, I will give you your due. There is no excuse to be rude when people say something we would rather not hear.



And I also consider it bad taste to poke fun at Chewie for his sabbatical at the Himalayan Ashram. We all seek enlightenment in our own way.

I thought I saw him at the Burger King drive thru during his hiatus ...


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by NYMike

The reason it's so dominated by investment threads is simply the absolutely ridiculous prices on all pieces. It's a farce at this point that asking prices are increasing faster than just about any other products available in the market today. It will cool down a bit for most models, but it's like winning a lottery ticket today getting models that were up until a year ago, in great abundance. So naturally money's on people's minds.

I get that Mike, most everyone here does.

It just makes it all the more disheartening to those of us who buy our watches to wear and enjoy and to hear them talked about solely in terms of investment value.

Again YMMV and to each their own

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

Agree.

But OP, I will give you your due. There is no excuse to be rude when people say something we would rather not hear.

And I also consider it bad taste to poke fun at Chewie for his sabbatical at the Himalayan Ashram. We all seek enlightenment in our own way.

I was in Newark sleeping in a dumpster!!!

Originally Posted by brandrea

I thought I saw him at the Burger King drive thru during his hiatus ...


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Who the hell has money for Burger King!!! I need $236,749.00 for a Daytona!!!!


Aaarrrggghhhh!!!!!!!! My head hurts!!!!! You all age me!!!!!!