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Old 1 February 2023, 06:00 PM   #31
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Perfect, thanks.
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Old 4 February 2023, 05:40 PM   #32
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Or, might the other luxury brands taking a page from Rolex? Since they can't just turn up voracious demand, they will dial back supply, a scarcity for some models, and create an air of exclusivity.
That's a winning formula, so I would expect GS to do something along those lines.
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Old 4 February 2023, 05:43 PM   #33
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14k for an SBGW is too much. It's a nice dial and I like it. But it's way overpriced IMO
I like the watch and understand the extreme craftsmanship that goes into that dial...but then they pair it will gold plated hands

If you're going to go to that level of extreme detail at least complete the set with solid gold hands.
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Old 4 February 2023, 09:52 PM   #34
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I like the watch and understand the extreme craftsmanship that goes into that dial...but then they pair it will gold plated hands

If you're going to go to that level of extreme detail at least complete the set with solid gold hands.

I hadnít noticed that. Poor choice by GS for sure. Thatís a detail that kills the watch for me.
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Old 4 February 2023, 10:28 PM   #35
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Too Many Limited Editions

Cost cutting. Someone in GS higher echelon decision making is losing their direction. Has GS ever had gold hands in their regular steel models?

Omega use gold hands. Rolex use gold hands. So do every haute horologie manufacture. If GS is trying to compete in this tier, thatís their choice. Itís not even a lot of money given how light the hands are. The finishing of GS hands are very very good though. I give them that.

However, here they are maki-e so Ö different again. The labour intensive nature takes it up a notch.

Iíve stopped following GS. If itís a colour combination I like, they donít make it anymore or itís in a PM case. Iíd rather they just keep making tried and tested combinations people like so that they can buy it.

For not much more, I could buy a solid gold cased Omega. Or a second hand Moser. And my first ALS was only 20-25 percent more than what this cost.

Value there.

As for Usushi dials? How much was the Kurono?
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Old 5 February 2023, 02:41 AM   #36
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This one gets the solid gold hands and markers treatment !

https://www.grand-seiko.com/us-en/collections/sbgz005j

Steel or titanium cased references get the gold or rhodium plated brass. Still finely finished, but not precious metal.

It's something that is kind of annoying about GS. Intense attention to detail on some facets....blatant cost cutting on others.
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Old 5 February 2023, 11:12 PM   #37
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Anyone agree with me that Grand Seiko is killing their brand by continually releasing suspect Limited Editions instead of focusing on a few key styles of watches to define the brand?

Omega do the same but still have 2 or 3 models that are the staple of the brand.

I would argue that GS needs a couple of staples and put all their energy resolving their thickness, bracelets, case sizes and ergonomics.

If they did this they would rule the Luxury watch market.
100%.

I love the chronograph gmt diver they have but the thing is 45mmÖ.

Thereís no way to wear a 45mm watch unless you are 6í6 and 275 lbs lol
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Old 6 February 2023, 04:54 AM   #38
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100%.

I love the chronograph gmt diver they have but the thing is 45mm….

There’s no way to wear a 45mm watch unless you are 6’6 and 275 lbs lol

45mm is just a number.

It really depends on the details of the watch (especially lug to lug) and how it wears (shape of lugs, design, case back shape).
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Cost cutting. Someone in GS higher echelon decision making is losing their direction. Has GS ever had gold hands in their regular steel models?

Omega use gold hands. Rolex use gold hands. So do every haute horologie manufacture. If GS is trying to compete in this tier, that’s their choice. It’s not even a lot of money given how light the hands are. The finishing of GS hands are very very good though. I give them that.

However, here they are maki-e so … different again. The labour intensive nature takes it up a notch.

I’ve stopped following GS. If it’s a colour combination I like, they don’t make it anymore or it’s in a PM case. I’d rather they just keep making tried and tested combinations people like so that they can buy it.

For not much more, I could buy a solid gold cased Omega. Or a second hand Moser. And my first ALS was only 20-25 percent more than what this cost.

Value there.

As for Usushi dials? How much was the Kurono?
Omega uses rhodium plate on their steel watches.
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Old 18 February 2023, 04:57 PM   #40
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stunning watch! i would buy one when i see one below $10,000 in the secondary market.
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Old 21 February 2023, 03:15 AM   #41
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Literally 50% of the Grand Seiko releases last year were limited edition.

I don't know why one would pay retail for a GS, but I guess an LE is a reason to make people think they should pay MSRP.

Interestingly, between GS and Seiko, they released on average a watch a day (and that doesn't include the other branches of the Seiko family tree).
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Old 21 February 2023, 12:18 PM   #42
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Literally 50% of the Grand Seiko releases last year were limited edition.

I don't know why one would pay retail for a GS, but I guess an LE is a reason to make people think they should pay MSRP.

Interestingly, between GS and Seiko, they released on average a watch a day (and that doesn't include the other branches of the Seiko family tree).

Agree with you. Marketing strategy letting us know its limited but the numbers produce is more than what the actual buyer. Come to think its just a label.


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Old 22 February 2023, 02:57 AM   #43
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I like the watch and understand the extreme craftsmanship that goes into that dial...but then they pair it will gold plated hands

If you're going to go to that level of extreme detail at least complete the set with solid gold hands.
Hi, where does it say that it has gold plated hands? According to the Hodinkee article they are "24-karat gold indices":

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/gr...e-wristwatches
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