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kallisto · 13 May 2019, 07:43 AM

Hello guys,

i am currently looking for a PP Ellipse and this model caught my attention. The owner doesn't know the reference and the only similar model i found was ref. 3748 in yellow gold. I could not find any information on this exact model in white gold.

Whats your opinion on this reference and condition / authenticity? What is it worth in your eyes?

Thanks!

enjoythemusic · 14 May 2019, 05:58 AM

Fake

kallisto · 14 May 2019, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Fake

Can you elaborate why?

dannyp · 15 May 2019, 02:14 AM

Most obviously, the crown looks off. Not too many out there with a jeweled crown, and those I've found images of have an onyx which appears thinner and more pronounced than that one. Aside from that, comparing to some photos of the 3748 that I can be certain are genuine, the clasp, and the embossed Calatrava cross look sloppy and I don't think PP ever stamped the case back with "18k" the way this one has.

Finally, the only images I've found of an Ellipse with a marker-less dial (save for one vintage one in a very different style) are on sites ADVERTISING FAKES.

fwhawk · 15 May 2019, 03:19 AM

I have never seen an Ellipse without markers. Tha is the most glaring thing to me. If they do exist please enlighten me.

kallisto · 15 May 2019, 08:34 AM

ref. 3634 Grande Ellipse had no markers

14 May 2019, 05:58 AM	#2
enjoythemusic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 19,541	Fake __________________ __________________ “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow! What a Ride!'” -- Hunter S. Thompson Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

15 May 2019, 02:14 AM	#4
dannyp Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: usa Posts: 6,765	Most obviously, the crown looks off. Not too many out there with a jeweled crown, and those I've found images of have an onyx which appears thinner and more pronounced than that one. Aside from that, comparing to some photos of the 3748 that I can be certain are genuine, the clasp, and the embossed Calatrava cross look sloppy and I don't think PP ever stamped the case back with "18k" the way this one has. Finally, the only images I've found of an Ellipse with a marker-less dial (save for one vintage one in a very different style) are on sites ADVERTISING FAKES.

15 May 2019, 03:19 AM	#5
fwhawk "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Stu Location: Fort Wayne, IN Posts: 182	I have never seen an Ellipse without markers. Tha is the most glaring thing to me. If they do exist please enlighten me.

15 May 2019, 08:34 AM	#6
kallisto "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Germany Posts: 8	ref. 3634 Grande Ellipse had no markers

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