6263 big red daytona help wanted

[nuno116600]

Hi, I am thinking of buying this 6263.
These are all the images I currently have and will ask for more and post them, but could anyone let me know if the watch parts look original?
Serial 6,2XX,XX(1980-ish?)
band:78350/FF:571.
The only thing i found is that the red daytona sign seems to be lower than many 6263. I thought that the earlier 6263 would be lower (closer to the sub-dial) and later 6263 would be higher with a gap. all other parts seem original to it's age. MK3 insert?
Any help would be much appriciated.

[Michael M.]

Pushers are likely newer. Typically P302's weren't seen on 6263's until the late 6mil serial range. Otherwise, appears to be a nice example. Perhaps some slight lume loss at 11 and 1 o'clock?

I'd suggest asking for some higher res pictures prior to purchasing..

[nuno116600]

I was able to get other photos.
The hands aren't perfect, but I don't think this would be a deal killer.
Any comment of the red datona beeing near the sub-dail would be much apriciated.

[nuno116600]

The sub-dial hand should be black?

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Pushers are likely newer. Typically P302's weren't seen on 6263's until the late 6mil serial range. Otherwise, appears to be a nice example. Perhaps some slight lume loss at 11 and 1 o'clock?

I'd suggest asking for some higher res pictures prior to purchasing..

Thank you for your coment.
What do you think about the sub-dail hands and the location of the red datona?

[swish77]

The white subdial hands should indeed be black, but they age and can oxidize a little, giving them a metal look. The positioning of the "Daytona" in relation to the subdial seems to be OK and is similar to my (former) black 6263 that had an 8 mil. serial number. Also, here's my silver/cream dial 6263 (6.0 mil. serial) with correct MK2 pushers and for comparison on the positioning of "Daytona." Good luck!

[sensui]

Originally Posted by swish77

The white subdial hands should indeed be black, but they age and can oxidize a little, giving them a metal look. The positioning of the "Daytona" in relation to the subdial seems to be OK and is similar to my (former) black 6263 that had an 8 mil. serial number. Also, here's my silver/cream dial 6263 (6.0 mil. serial) with correct MK2 pushers and for comparison on the positioning of "Daytona." Good luck!

Great education.

Your 6263 is beautiful every time I see it. Someday!

[swish77]

Originally Posted by sensui

Great education.

Your 6263 is beautiful every time I see it. Someday!

Many thanks! Problem is, I no longer want to wear any of my other watches!

[Sky21]

Originally Posted by swish77

Many thanks! Problem is, I no longer want to wear any of my other watches!

I don't think that's a problem at all when you get to put on that beautiful 6263 every day! Awesome.

[JustinRolex]

Regarding the pushers I've heard of one owner watches in this serial range born with the later mk3 pushers. Sure I see jed put a post about this also.

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Pushers are likely newer. Typically P302's weren't seen on 6263's until the late 6mil serial range. Otherwise, appears to be a nice example. Perhaps some slight lume loss at 11 and 1 o'clock?

I'd suggest asking for some higher res pictures prior to purchasing..

The lume at 11 was re-lumed .
The lume at 11 and 1 seemed to be not in the center but slightly to the right. It is a small thing but will bug me so will walk away for this one. Thanks for all your help.


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[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by swish77

The white subdial hands should indeed be black, but they age and can oxidize a little, giving them a metal look. The positioning of the "Daytona" in relation to the subdial seems to be OK and is similar to my (former) black 6263 that had an 8 mil. serial number. Also, here's my silver/cream dial 6263 (6.0 mil. serial) with correct MK2 pushers and for comparison on the positioning of "Daytona." Good luck!

Thank you your help. I passed on this one because 11 and 1 o'clock was re-lumed and not centrally located ( a little to the right)

I am think of buying this silver dial.IMG_2422.JPGIMG_2425.JPG


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[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by nuno116600

Thank you your help. I passed on this one because 11 and 1 o'clock was re-lumed and not centrally located ( a little to the right)

I am think of buying this silver dial.Attachment 870059Attachment 870060


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It was made around 1985. Checking for serial number. The lume on dial seems a little small compared to other 6263.


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[swish77]

Originally Posted by nuno116600

The lume at 11 was re-lumed .
The lume at 11 and 1 seemed to be not in the center but slightly to the right. It is a small thing but will bug me so will walk away for this one. Thanks for all your help.

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You know for a fact those dots were re-lumed, or just based on the photos? The original tritium dots are sometimes not 100 percent perfect and aligned. Vintage Rolexes don't always have the machine-like precision you would expect in 2017.

Originally Posted by nuno116600

It was made around 1985. Checking for serial number. The lume on dial seems a little small compared to other 6263.


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The size of the dots can vary from watch to watch. See this great blog for comparisons of dials and the variations of the size of the dots:

http://stefanomazzariol.blogspot.fr/...-62636265.html

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by swish77

You know for a fact those dots were re-lumed, or just based on the photos? The original tritium dots are sometimes not 100 percent perfect and aligned. Vintage Rolexes don't always have the machine-like precision you would expect in 2017.







The size of the dots can vary from watch to watch. See this great blog for comparisons of dials and the variations of the size of the dots:



http://stefanomazzariol.blogspot.fr/...-62636265.html

Hi, Swish77,
The shop that is selling the watch said they think it has been re-lumed but not certain.
Thanks for the link, as you say, some lume points are not in line .
It is a hard decision. Do you think this watch is worth 54,000?


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[Michael M.]

The lume plot sizes on 6263/5's varied throughout the years.

During the 1970's and early 1980's the lume plots were much fatter and less circular than lume plots produced on the last few series of 6263/5's. I personally consider the last series of 6263/5's to be 1984 and forward. The lume plots became smaller and more precise in comparison to earlier examples. The 1985 watch you posted is a perfect illustration of this transition. You will notice how the lume plots are smaller and more circular compared to the earlier black dial example you posted originally along with swish77's silver 6263 from the early 1980's.

Another characteristic unique to the last series of 6263/5's is that all were equipped with flat crystals from the factory, unlike previous years where domed crystals were fitted.

Hope this helps. I have included a picture of a 6263 from 1985 (8.8mil serial) from my personal collection for further reference.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

The lume plot sizes on 6263/5's varied throughout the years.

During the 1970's and early 1980's the lume plots were much fatter and less circular than lume plots produced on the last few series of 6263/5's. I personally consider the last series of 6263/5's to be 1984 and forward. The lume plots became smaller and more precise in comparison to earlier examples. The 1985 watch you posted is a perfect illustration of this transition. You will notice how the lume plots are smaller and more circular compared to the earlier black dial example you posted originally along with swish77's silver 6263 from the early 1980's.

Another characteristic unique to the last series of 6263/5's is that all were equipped with flat crystals from the factory, unlike previous years where domed crystals were fitted.

Hope this helps. I have included a picture of a 6263 from 1985 (8.8mil serial) from my personal collection for further reference.

Great info, Michael, thanks! What about the silver versus the cream dial variations of the 6263? There seems to be quite a difference at times. Some dials are very silvery, with a strong sunburst finish, like your Daytona from 1985. Some are more white and cream-colored and not as silver, like mine below (6.0 serial). I haven't been able to find anything written about those variations, which are also apparent on Stefano's blog.

[Michael M.]

Originally Posted by swish77

Great info, Michael, thanks! What about the silver versus the cream dial variations of the 6263? There seems to be quite a difference at times. Some dials are very silvery, with a strong sunburst finish, like your Daytona from 1985. Some are more white and cream-colored and not as silver, like mine below (6.0 serial). I haven't been able to find anything written about those variations, which are also apparent on Stefano's blog.

Good question! Per my experience, the cream dials were primarily seen during the 1970's and early 1980's, whereas dials with the more silvery/sunburst finish were seen from the mid-1980's to the end of the 6263/5 Daytona production in 1987.

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

The lume plot sizes on 6263/5's varied throughout the years.

During the 1970's and early 1980's the lume plots were much fatter and less circular than lume plots produced on the last few series of 6263/5's. I personally consider the last series of 6263/5's to be 1984 and forward. The lume plots became smaller and more precise in comparison to earlier examples. The 1985 watch you posted is a perfect illustration of this transition. You will notice how the lume plots are smaller and more circular compared to the earlier black dial example you posted originally along with swish77's silver 6263 from the early 1980's.

Another characteristic unique to the last series of 6263/5's is that all were equipped with flat crystals from the factory, unlike previous years where domed crystals were fitted.

Hope this helps. I have included a picture of a 6263 from 1985 (8.8mil serial) from my personal collection for further reference.

Hi, Michael, this is very helpful, thank you very much.
On my silver post , the lume dots do not touch the 5 Minuit thick indexes, where as yours does. Do you think the dial is original ?
Which do you think is in better condition, the black or silver?


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[Michael M.]

Originally Posted by nuno116600

Hi, Michael, this is very helpful, thank you very much.
On my silver post , the lume dots do not touch the 5 Minuit thick indexes, where as yours does. Do you think the dial is original ?
Which do you think is in better condition, the black or silver?


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The silver dial 6263 is a much better example.

My lume plots do not touch the 5 minute indexes, it is just an optical illusion due to the picture quality.

[Michael M.]

Here is another picture.

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

The silver dial 6263 is a much better example.

My lume plots do not touch the 5 minute indexes, it is just an optical illusion due to the picture quality.

In general I agree but it is 3K more expensive than the black dial and the 9 o'clock lume dot is missing.



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[Michael M.]

Originally Posted by nuno116600

In general I agree but it is 3K more expensive than the black dial and the 9 o'clock lume dot is missing.



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I would always prefer a 6263 partially missing one lume plot with untouched/original lume versus another example with all lumes but several have been relumed.

If you don't buy the silver 6263, please let me know.

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

I would always prefer a 6263 partially missing one lume plot with untouched/original lume versus another example with all lumes but several have been relumed.



If you don't buy the silver 6263, please let me know.

Thank you for your input.
Do you think this is worth 57.2K?



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[nuno116600]

Some pictures of the black dial.



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