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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok?
Yes, no issues 1,030 70.16%
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine 61 4.16%
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) 377 25.68%
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Old 11 May 2024, 03:09 PM   #4891
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This is actually pretty normal behavior as a movement on a brand new watch "settles in" after a while. Sometimes the accuracy improves, sometimes not. But your Sub appears to still be in spec.

Not sure it is in spec, today is loosing -3.5s, seems to be getting worse


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Old 11 May 2024, 03:11 PM   #4892
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Not sure it is in spec, today is loosing -3.5s, seems to be getting worse


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I mean the only way to know for sure is to put it on a timegrapher. Make sure it's fully wound as watches can lose time more rapidly towards the end of their power reserve.
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Old 11 May 2024, 05:21 PM   #4893
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Not sure it is in spec, today is loosing -3.5s, seems to be getting worse
From the other thread I understand you discuss a 124060 Submariner (3230 caliber) which has lost, after full winding, -3.5 s overnight. Is that correct? With a resting time of assumed 12 hours this would mean a rate of -7 s/d in dial up position! Less DU resting time (e.g. 8 h) is even worse (-10.5 s/d).

How old is your watch? It looks to me you bought the watch in Feb. 2024?

It would be very interesting to measure the caliber amplitudes after full winding, in all 5 positions.

You/We will learn nothing if you bring it to RSC now, as you posted here.

Your Submariner is interesting (to me) because it is a NEW 32xx watch (to be confirmed).
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Old 11 May 2024, 08:45 PM   #4894
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From the other thread I understand you discuss a 124060 Submariner (3230 caliber) which has lost, after full winding, -3.5 s overnight. Is that correct? With a resting time of assumed 12 hours this would mean a rate of -7 s/d in dial up position! Less DU resting time (e.g. 8 h) is even worse (-10.5 s/d).

How old is your watch? It looks to me you bought the watch in Feb. 2024?

It would be very interesting to measure the caliber amplitudes after full winding, in all 5 positions.

You/We will learn nothing if you bring it to RSC now, as you posted here.

Your Submariner is interesting (to me) because it is a NEW 32xx watch (to be confirmed).

Yes it is a new Sub, collected from AD in March.
I am also very interested because I have a nbrand new OP41 which sits at +1 dead set, no matter how I wear it or rest it.

will put it on the timegrapher first before taking it to RS, will keep you posted


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Old 11 May 2024, 08:55 PM   #4895
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Yes it is a new Sub, collected from AD in March.
I am also very interested because I have a nbrand new OP41 which sits at +1 dead set, no matter how I wear it or rest it.

will put it on the timegrapher first before taking it to RS, will keep you posted
Thanks for your reply. The 3230 lost 3.5 seconds overnight, during how many hours?

In case you want to know more about the timegrapher measurement procedure we use here to obtain comparable data, I am ready to answer your questions in this thread.

A comparison between your Submariner and the brand new OP41 is of course interesting too.



PS: we can see just now, there still is a lot of interest in this 32xx data thread …

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Old 15 May 2024, 01:19 AM   #4896
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The thread is also interesting to me for a completely, although connected, different reason.

I sold all my 32xx based Rolex watches because they all have the "dreaded curse".

I will come back to getting another Rolex watch (I just have one at the moment).

I have an Exp II with a 3187 movement .. A delight of a movement.

As soon as I see new watches coming through that are more "Stable" Ill be back for more.

In then meantime I have swapped over to another brand that seem to produce extraordinarily good, accurate and precise watches.
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Old 15 May 2024, 08:17 AM   #4897
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My 126610 after 9 months of ownership. Amplitude seems healthy, weirdly seems more accurate after 24 hours than at full charge. Watch was also losing more time on wrist than the timegrapher suggests so I'll monitor a bit but seems like it's still fine.

FULL
DU 278 -3 s/d
3U 246 -3 s/d
6U 241 +1 s/d
9U 244 0 s/d
DD 276 -2 s/d

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DU 257 -2 s/d
3U 219 +1 s/d
6U 218 0 s/d
9U 220 -1 s/d
DD 252 -1 s/d
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Old 16 May 2024, 06:42 AM   #4898
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My 126610 after 9 months of ownership.
Looks good.
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Old 19 May 2024, 06:21 AM   #4899
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The thread is also interesting to me for a completely, although connected, different reason.

I sold all my 32xx based Rolex watches because they all have the "dreaded curse".

I will come back to getting another Rolex watch (I just have one at the moment).

I have an Exp II with a 3187 movement .. A delight of a movement.

As soon as I see new watches coming through that are more "Stable" Ill be back for more.

In then meantime I have swapped over to another brand that seem to produce extraordinarily good, accurate and precise watches.
Which brand? My guess is Omega or Tudor.

If my Air King craps out I’ll probably replace it with a JLC Polaris.

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Old 19 May 2024, 07:55 AM   #4900
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Old 19 May 2024, 07:57 AM   #4901
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Which brand? My guess is Omega or Tudor.
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Wrong on both brands I am afraid.

I have been collecting Blancpain watches as a replacement for my addiction.
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Old 19 May 2024, 07:58 AM   #4902
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Old 19 May 2024, 01:10 PM   #4903
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Wrong on both brands I am afraid.

I have been collecting Blancpain watches as a replacement for my addiction.
Very nice. I find the titanium Bathyscaphe very appealing. As well as the new 42mm models.
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Old 23 May 2024, 04:53 AM   #4904
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Question, since this thread is already unbeleavably long, I read somewhere that Rolex has maybe developed a possible fix for the movements? Could someone tell about it?
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Old 23 May 2024, 08:00 AM   #4905
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Question, since this thread is already unbeleavably long, I read somewhere that Rolex has maybe developed a possible fix for the movements? Could someone tell about it?

They have?!?
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Old 23 May 2024, 08:22 AM   #4906
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Question, since this thread is already unbeleavably long, I read somewhere that Rolex has maybe developed a possible fix for the movements? Could someone tell about it?
If you read somewhere why you don't report what you read? What has your reading to do with the length of this thread? I'm asking because I don't understand your post.
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Old 23 May 2024, 02:44 PM   #4907
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I read it in this thread a short while ago, that it looked like that way less movements that were sent back for service, and less new owners complaining about the watches. So here my question if someone knows facts on a possible solution Rolex made?
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Old 23 May 2024, 11:24 PM   #4908
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I read it in this thread a short while ago, that it looked like that way less movements that were sent back for service, and less new owners complaining about the watches. So here my question if someone knows facts on a possible solution Rolex made?
I have been following this thread and other discussions of the 32XX issue pretty closely. While there have been some comments (from Bas, as I recall) that fewer 32XX movements seem to be in need of servicing, I am not aware of any specific determination of the cause of, much less the solution for, the problem. Until Rolex themselves confirm the problem and a permanent fix, I will assume the problem has not been cured.
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Old 24 May 2024, 12:19 AM   #4909
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Until Rolex themselves confirm the problem and a permanent fix, I will assume the problem has not been cured.
Rolex will never confirm there was a problem - hopefully, it will be silently resolved.
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Old 25 May 2024, 03:52 AM   #4910
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Rolex will never confirm there was a problem - hopefully, it will be silently resolved.
I agree, in part. If/when solved in production we will likely never hear about it. However, with the units already on the streets, I would like to believe there would be a service bulletin describing a remedy other than swap parts until the problem goes away.
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My 126610 after 9 months of ownership. Amplitude seems healthy, weirdly seems more accurate after 24 hours than at full charge. Watch was also losing more time on wrist than the timegrapher suggests so I'll monitor a bit but seems like it's still fine.

FULL
DU 278 -3 s/d
3U 246 -3 s/d
6U 241 +1 s/d
9U 244 0 s/d
DD 276 -2 s/d

24HRS
DU 257 -2 s/d
3U 219 +1 s/d
6U 218 0 s/d
9U 220 -1 s/d
DD 252 -1 s/d
Mine always ran EXTRA slow (lose an extra 2-3 seconds in a day) after a full wind, then it would settle and just run slow (losing 5-7 seconds a day) after a day. Bad sign I fear.
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Mine always ran EXTRA slow (lose an extra 2-3 seconds in a day) after a full wind, then it would settle and just run slow (losing 5-7 seconds a day) after a day. Bad sign I fear.
I've been wearing mine more consistently lately and it seems to still be in spec.
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Old 30 May 2024, 05:34 PM   #4913
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For what is worth, I own 124060 with 3230. The watch behaves in this fashion:
- If I move a lot the watch starts to gain about +1 sec per 24h. For example one day I was moving around a lot on foot due to some personal tasks I had to do in the city center where cars are not allowed. Left it in the box and each day he gained +1 sec.

- When I don't move around a lot the watch loses -1 sec per 24h no matter what so you can say that it behaves roughly +/-1 sec per 24h depending on my activity level no matter how wound it is.

I am sorry that I cannot provide more data with time graph and such but for now in my humble opinion seems to do ok.
Bought April/May 2023
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Thanks for your reply. The 3230 lost 3.5 seconds overnight, during how many hours?

In case you want to know more about the timegrapher measurement procedure we use here to obtain comparable data, I am ready to answer your questions in this thread.

A comparison between your Submariner and the brand new OP41 is of course interesting too.



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Update 30 May 24:

Sub is now loosing 5 sec/day, with normal wear and face up overnight.

Only 4 months old.

I have not taken it to RSC yet because I am still on a trip but will do it shortly. Will be very curious to hear their feedback once assessed.

So much for the “superlative chronometer” costing AUD 15,000.


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Will be very curious to hear their feedback once assessed.
Waiting for my '22 124060 (-16spd full wind) to return from RSC - I highly doubt there will be any explanation as to why or what the issue was, nor do I care, as long as it's fixed correctly and hopefully for good.
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Update 30 May 24:

Sub is now loosing 5 sec/day, with normal wear and face up overnight.

Only 4 months old.

I have not taken it to RSC yet because I am still on a trip but will do it shortly. Will be very curious to hear their feedback once assessed.

So much for the “superlative chronometer” costing AUD 15,000.
You will receive ZERO information from RSC.
The best you can do is to measure the watch with your timegrapher before (!) and after RSC service.

Again, your watch is very interesting because it was sold in 2024! Do measurements before you give it to RSC!
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Waiting for my '22 124060 (-16spd full wind) to return from RSC - I highly doubt there will be any explanation as to why or what the issue was, nor do I care, as long as it's fixed correctly and hopefully for good.

How can you gain any confidence that it is fixed correctly and for good if you do not know what it was? Only by taking their word?


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How can you gain any confidence that it is fixed correctly and for good if you do not know what it was? Only by taking their word?
I never mentioned anything about me being confident at all. I simply said - "hopefully it is fixed correctly". And I also said "I highly doubt there will be any explanation" so there will be no "taking their word". How did you come up with these question? Did you misinterpret my post - or just choose to ignore what I actually said?
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You will receive ZERO information from RSC.
The best you can do is to measure the watch with your timegrapher before (!) and after RSC service.

Again, your watch is very interesting because it was sold in 2024! Do measurements before you give it to RSC!

I am in the RSC
Here it is: it is loosing 4s/d, amplitude is 260-270.
They will tune it now, it will take them 10min.
Let’s see…


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I am in the RSC
Here it is: it is loosing 4s/d, amplitude is 260-270.
They will tune it now, it will take them 10min.
Let’s see…
Facts: The issue is visible in the 3 vertical positions! RSC told you the horizontal amplitudes.

Ask them if they know about the 32xx low amplitude issues and tell that you post their numbers directly in this TRF thread.

PS: just kidding … this topic rarely disappoints.
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