Mixing and Matching Vaccines, and Booster Shots....

[Blansky]

I saw this today and it talks about the booster shots for Covid and about the mixing or matching of the various shots.

Please no politics.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...&loggedin=true

[Chester01]

Yes, it is sad and corrosive that politics seems to be bleeding into issues that it has no business in. Science is science and data are data.

[BNA/LION]

Thanks for posting...

I got the JJ back in March 2021. This article suggests, with small study results, that the Moderna vaccine would be the best for me. However, it also says that the clinical data is not conclusive. I'm going to wait for the FDA to give a solid recommendation. This data or decision will be available soon.

"... Plus, if you choose your own unauthorized booster shot, what happens if later research proves a different combination is better? That’s why experts say it’s a bad idea to become your own vaccine advisory committee and get a shot out of turn. “Deciding whether to mix,” Javaid says, “should be done in a safe and scientific matter rather than randomly.”

[Kinnakeet]

My husband has had 2 Pfizer vaccines in Florida. This next week he gets a booster. The county we live in is coming into our neighbourhood so he is eligible that way.

I waited to get mine in Canada and have a mix of of vaccines. I wish I had got the vaccines with him. I’m thinking my series is not yet recognized in the USA unless that has recently changed.

[Brew]

I am torn on these boosters. Part of me thinks we’ll never get past this, if we don’t attend to those parts of the world that are not yet vaccinated. But in reality, there will always be “those parts of the world” (including the US) where the virus can flourish, variate, and come for us.

Since that’s the case, here’s my arm . . . .


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[AzPaul]

I ordered the sampler.

[TswaneNguni]

Got JJ in Feb 2021
Did my antibodies the other day ..S Prot IgG sky high after 7 months .

Vaccine works
Still works after 7 months .
No booster needed now .

Will repeat every 3 months .

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Got JJ in Feb 2021
Did my antibodies the other day ..S Prot IgG sky high after 7 months .

Vaccine works
Still works after 7 months .
No booster needed now .

Will repeat every 3 months .

I have a place near me that does an antibodies test, I should give that a go. I would be interested to see what I have after about 6 months with the Moderna.

[Pw92676]

Vaccine and covid talk makes me yearn for the “should I buy the batgirl as an investment” threads.

[austinp]

Are there home antibody tests to buy at the drug stores?


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[DJH1977]

The antibody titer doesn’t necessarily reflect the immune system’s humoral response / cytotoxic responses. There is insufficient data to base immunization based in antibody titers yet. My specialty is laboratory medicine for what it’s worth.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by DJH1977

The antibody titer doesn’t necessarily reflect the immune system’s humoral response / cytotoxic responses. There is insufficient data to base immunization based in antibody titers yet. My specialty is laboratory medicine for what it’s worth.

Way to rain on my parade I was hoping to antibody test then decide from there on the boost lol

[brandrea]

Astra and Moderna for me and my wife.

They’re good enough to travel in Europe, hopefully to the US as well

[Mendota]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

I have a place near me that does an antibodies test, I should give that a go. I would be interested to see what I have after about 6 months with the Moderna.

My wife recently got Covid (she's 5 weeks into it now) and she got the Moderna in Feb with all of the educators. Even though she still got it 6 months after vaccination, the remaining efficacy saved her life. Literally. It kicked her a$$ and it was touch and go at times whether we needed to go in or not and she is still recovering. The brain fog, exhaustion, and shortness of breath are still there. My wife said it's definitely neurological.

Our good friend, who is the head of ER for a major medical system here said as bad as she got it, had she not been vaccinated she most likely would have been in the hospital and on a ventilator or oxygen, and very possibly worse.

The vaccines work.

My 13 year old and I both got vaccinated in April and May and we didn't get it. My 11 year old did get it but my 8 year old didn't. Interesting that we are all in the same household, too. We all spread out and quarantined, though, as my wife stated getting sick even before her positive test results came back. She thought it was a cold but we took preventive measures anyway to be safe. Then it hit her like a freight train.

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[austinp]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Way to rain on my parade I was hoping to antibody test then decide from there on the boost lol

Same.

I had the vaccine then got Covid a few months later. I think I’m loaded with antibodies.


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[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Yes, it is sad and corrosive that politics seems to be bleeding into issues that it has no business in. Science is science and data are data.

Your post right here is remarkably political. Insanely political. So is this entire subject. Please don’t pretend for a millisecond that you don’t know this. Have a great night.

[JasoninDenver]

Recent study of 600,000 US J&J recipients showed as little as 3% protection after 6 months.

I had J&J 7 months ago. San Francisco is apparently allowing mixing of boosters right now. Furthermore, many infectious disease docs are getting the Moderna or Pfizer if they had J&J. Yet, we have to wait to get any booster.

Breakthrough infections are becoming more and more common (two of my friends this week alone) and I am not really interested in waiting for approval by CDC for J&J booster without proof it has dramatically better staying power than a full mRNA round.

Nor am I interested in waiting weeks for formal approval of an mRNA booster before I can get it locally. Especially, since I promised my wife we can go to her family’s for Thanksgiving since our kids will all be shot up by then.

Looks like I get a trip to San Fran.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Yes, it is sad and corrosive that politics seems to be bleeding into issues that it has no business in. Science is science and data are data.

Data is data, data are datum.

[michaelodonnell123]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Yes, it is sad and corrosive that politics seems to be bleeding into issues that it has no business in. Science is science and data are data.

It's not that simple. Scientists disagree all the time, additionally data results often have different interpretations.

[Chloe&Harley]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Astra and Moderna for me and my wife.

I received the same combination and believe it was announced we can travel to the US

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by michaelodonnell123

It's not that simple. Scientists disagree all the time, additionally data results often have different interpretations.

It’s pretty clear until the talking heads spin and twist it. Then politicians almost all lawyers weaponize it. Sickening. The issue is people don’t know what they don’t know and what politicians lack in knowledge they make up for in bluster.

The trend lines with the current pandemic are indeed clear. The interpretations among the scientists-ones with the training-not the politicians with regard to the pandemic have been generally consistent. However politicians and talking heads use what little daylight there is to exploit and manipulate for their own personal gains.


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[Chester01]

Originally Posted by pickettt

Data is data, data are datum.

Lol. Indeed.


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[Chester01]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Your post right here is remarkably political. Insanely political. So is this entire subject. Please don’t pretend for a millisecond that you don’t know this. Have a great night.

No no. I don’t see it that way. Politics is a lens that one takes a given piece of info and filters it through their particular worldview. With politics, conclusions are made first and data and information that does not fit tossed.

With science, one goes in collects data, and the conclusions follow the data.

I get it, science and data are things that few of us actually have specialized training in. So for most laymen, data can be twisted, manipulated for personal gain. The general public has no idea what constitutes decent quality studies from junk science. And so one gets defensive, and skeptical, and rejects it out of hand-only to be told by the people they trust. Trust becomes elevated above data. Well my talking head at 8 told me and I don’t care what the p value of that study was it’s hogwash.


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[austinp]

Anybody listen to the Rogan Gupta pod cast? Pretty enjoyable listen. They talked a lot about this.


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[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Chester01

No no. I don’t see it that way. Politics is a lens that one takes a given piece of info and filters it through their particular worldview. With politics, conclusions are made first and data and information that does not fit tossed.

With science, one goes in collects data, and the conclusions follow the data.

I get it, science and data are things that few of us actually have specialized training in. So for most laymen, data can be twisted, manipulated for personal gain. The general public has no idea what constitutes decent quality studies from junk science. And so one gets defensive, and skeptical, and rejects it out of hand-only to be told by the people they trust. Trust becomes elevated above data. Well my talking head at 8 told me and I don’t care what the p value of that study was it’s hogwash.


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Perhaps if you read your post, this particular one now with a loved one they would feel comfortable enough to let you know just how condescending it is. Of course your other post that I commented on is remarkably condescending also. There are plenty of scientists and plenty of studies that easily contradict most of what you think you know and espouse. I suspect the news outlets you pay attention to don’t report these other opinions and findings. That’s all well and good but it doesn’t change the fact that this subject is incredibly polarizing and political and so are both your posts even know you tried to be cute with them. Good try though. Now go get that loved one to read your post.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by austinp

Anybody listen to the Rogan Gupta pod cast? Pretty enjoyable listen. They talked a lot about this.


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Yes I did. Gupta is a nice guy but joe took him for a walk. Smh lol

I don’t care if anyone wants a shot or not. That’s their own decision. I would advise anyone not fit or over 25 to go ahead and get it though based on what I’ve digested. As such I went ahead and got it back in March.

(To be clear I use advise jokingly I have zero education in medicine)

[Atone]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Perhaps if you read your post, this particular one now with a loved one they would feel comfortable enough to let you know just how condescending it is. Of course your other post that I commented on is remarkably condescending also. There are plenty of scientists and plenty of studies that easily contradict most of what you think you know and espouse. I suspect the news outlets you pay attention to don’t report these other opinions and findings. That’s all well and good but it doesn’t change the fact that this subject is incredibly polarizing and political and so are both your posts even know you tried to be cute with them. Good try though. Now go get that loved one to read your post.

It’s clear where you stand. Feel free to provide peer reviewed data. Otherwise, best read and learn. Emotionally driven arguments are not equal to evidence-based empirical data. Period.

[pickettt]

Can we shut this down? This topic makes me sicker than covid ever could.