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Old 9 October 2019, 10:55 PM   #61
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No, it’s the hole drilled in the link for the hidden pin to be inserted.
All bar a few bracelets are made exactly the same way, and if you pause the video at the 3:02 mark, you can see that it’s perfect – just the way it should be.

I see a couple of rings on that video when paused in 1080p HD.
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Old 9 October 2019, 11:26 PM   #62
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No, it’s the hole drilled in the link for the hidden pin to be inserted.
All bar a few bracelets are made exactly the same way, and if you pause the video at the 3:02 mark, you can see that it’s perfect – just the way it should be.

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Old 9 October 2019, 11:29 PM   #63
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I see a couple of rings on that video when paused in 1080p HD.
Even zooming in on the 1080p video on the laptop, I can’t be sure that any slight semblances of what we’ve been talking about are not figments of one’s imagination and light – a classic case of seeing what one wants to see.
You may well be correct, but my perception is that it looks spot on.
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Old 9 October 2019, 11:34 PM   #64
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congrats on the 5711. I hope Patek will swap the bracelet for a new one
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Old 9 October 2019, 11:45 PM   #65
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Even zooming in on the 1080p video on the laptop, I can’t be sure that any slight semblances of what we’ve been talking about are not figments of one’s imagination and light – a classic case of seeing what one wants to see.
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I know what you mean.
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Old 10 October 2019, 01:45 AM   #66
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congrats on the 5711. I hope Patek will swap the bracelet for a new one
I think that is very unlikely Patek will replace the bracelet for this, they may offer to do a polish but from my experience the rings will still show.

The bracelet is made with a mix of non-removable links which are permanently joined together with welded pins on both sides and some have fixed pins one end and a removable pin with a collar on the other to allow the links to be removed. The fixed links will have 2 circles on the edges and the removable links have 1 circle and a hole for the removable pin.

To help reassure the OP and anyone else with a steel 5711 I would like to add that the issue I am having with my steel 5711 is regarding the discoloration that appears. This discolouration is NOT only on the outer edges where the rings are, but it is also clearly seen inside the joints of the bracelet as well.

The OP's bracelet looks fine, just enjoy your 5711, it’s a great watch.
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Old 10 October 2019, 01:53 AM   #67
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I think that is very unlikely Patek will replace the bracelet for this, they may offer to do a polish but from my experience the rings will still show.

The bracelet is made with a mix of non-removable links which are permanently joined together with welded pins on both sides and some have fixed pins one end and a removable pin with a collar on the other to allow the links to be removed. The fixed links will have 2 circles on the edges and the removable links have 1 circle and a hole for the removable pin.

To help reassure the OP and anyone else with a steel 5711 I would like to add that the issue I am having with my steel 5711 is regarding the discoloration that appears. This discolouration is NOT only on the outer edges where the rings are, but it is also clearly seen inside the joints of the bracelet as well.

The OP's bracelet looks fine, just enjoy your 5711, it’s a great watch.
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Old 10 October 2019, 02:14 AM   #68
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Making a bracelet. Look at this video starting at 0:55 sec mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh1Xww576Yc
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Old 10 October 2019, 04:11 AM   #69
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Great QC by Patek.
Not only does the bracelet feel flimsy, but it looks defective as well. Lol.

If that's normal...jeez.
What do you mean by flimsy?
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Old 10 October 2019, 04:18 AM   #70
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What do you mean by flimsy?

flimsy adjective
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flimsier; flimsiest
Definition of flimsy (Entry 1 of 2)
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Old 10 October 2019, 04:37 AM   #71
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flimsy adjective
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flimsier; flimsiest
Definition of flimsy (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : lacking in physical strength or substance
flimsy silks
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flimsy constructionJ
Yes, but I’m curious as to his own personal experience with his own Nautilus and why he feels it is like that.
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Old 10 October 2019, 10:36 AM   #72
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Checked my 5990 and also have the circles. You have to look fairly carefully but they are there.Attachment 1076663


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RussW, thanks for checking your 5990.

I also have those rings (different color metal) on some links and circle indents on other links.

Oh well, it seems the concensus is that it is normal albeit some lousy QC from Patek.

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Old 10 October 2019, 06:30 PM   #73
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Hmm my old man's 5712 looks like that too, but i guess it doesnt bother him much
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Old 11 October 2019, 05:11 PM   #74
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Yes, but I’m curious as to his own personal experience with his own Nautilus and why he feels it is like that.
Meant it in the literal sense.
The bracelet doesn't feel sturdy and is pretty delicate.

I still like the Nautilus mind you overall.
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Old 11 October 2019, 06:22 PM   #75
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I just collected my wife’s 7118A from AD today and it has the same faint rings on some of the bracelet links.

Similar but slightly fainter rings also exist in my 5712A bought from AD in 2012.

There is absolutely no sign of rusting on my 5712A, which I wear regularly (even when swimming in pool). Therefore I would say no worry. Enjoy your Nautilus!

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Old 11 October 2019, 06:26 PM   #76
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I just collected my wife’s 7118A today and it has the same faint rings on some of the bracelet links.

Similar but slightly fainter rings also occurs in my 5712A bought in 2012.

There is absolutely no sign of rusting on my 5712A, which I wear regularly (even while swimming in pool). Therefore I would say no worry. Enjoy your Nautilus!

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Old 11 October 2019, 06:42 PM   #77
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Checked mine, it is normal. I looked for ages and couldn't see anything (certainly can't feel anything) but under strong light and the exact right (wrong) angle it is possible to see the circles.



I have to say, I have studied my piece many times before (and photographed it lots) and never seen the rings, it is something you have to look for intently and use a strong light to highlight. I think if you all look carefully and in the strong light at angles on an unmarked bracelet you will see the same effect, all Nautilus bracelets are made in the same way. The surface is polished and brushed perfectly and yet at one angle it is possible to see that there is a plug of metal filling a hole (I assume) and this process is inescapable.

Agreed with Russel's observation and opinion, except I could not take a clear photo as he did.
Being an OCD type person, I would say no worries in this issue.

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Old 11 October 2019, 07:38 PM   #78
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I think that is very unlikely Patek will replace the bracelet for this, they may offer to do a polish but from my experience the rings will still show.

The bracelet is made with a mix of non-removable links which are permanently joined together with welded pins on both sides and some have fixed pins one end and a removable pin with a collar on the other to allow the links to be removed. The fixed links will have 2 circles on the edges and the removable links have 1 circle and a hole for the removable pin.

To help reassure the OP and anyone else with a steel 5711 I would like to add that the issue I am having with my steel 5711 is regarding the discoloration that appears. This discolouration is NOT only on the outer edges where the rings are, but it is also clearly seen inside the joints of the bracelet as well.

The OP's bracelet looks fine, just enjoy your 5711, it’s a great watch.
Hi, Bonsai-man,
Do those faint marks on the link still present in your new 5711 bracelet (after replacing the rusted one by PPSC) ?
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Old 12 October 2019, 03:29 AM   #79
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Making a bracelet. Look at this video starting at 0:55 sec mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh1Xww576Yc
Great video.
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Old 12 October 2019, 03:32 AM   #80
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Those links have pins and I suspect the caps to enclose them were not properly finished so they would not show.
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Old 12 October 2019, 03:35 AM   #81
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Those links have pins and I suspect the caps to enclose them were not properly finished so they would not show.
The 5712A above from 2012 did not have pins, so I cannot explain the circles which are clearly visible, other than maybe some device to hold the link while final polishing was done. I would not worry about it.
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Old 14 October 2019, 11:46 AM   #82
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I only have experience with Rolex bracelets, but it looks normal to me, i.e. it's the other end of the screw:




Does Patek somehow make it invisible?
Those links in the app picture are not the ones you remove like the ones you are showing here. The higher links, closer to the case, don’t show rings nor should they on a 30k watch.
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Old 14 October 2019, 12:03 PM   #83
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Neither of my Nautilus (15'&17') have those marks to the naked eye. I don't own a loop, because I don't want to make a thread like this too.
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Old 14 October 2019, 03:41 PM   #84
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It's stuff like this that keeps me from ever buying from gray.
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Old 14 October 2019, 06:58 PM   #85
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The 5712A above from 2012 did not have pins, so I cannot explain the circles which are clearly visible, other than maybe some device to hold the link while final polishing was done. I would not worry about it.
I don't understand... Even 5711/1A and 5712/1A that still had screws near the clasp would have pins in the links near the case that cannot be removed?!
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I don't understand... Even 5711/1A and 5712/1A that still had screws near the clasp would have pins in the links near the case that cannot be removed?!
Agreed. The circular marks are nothing to do with the pins or screws debate, they are the caused by the finishing process on the metal infill/pin on the non removable links.
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Hi, Bonsai-man,
Do those faint marks on the link still present in your new 5711 bracelet (after replacing the rusted one by PPSC) ?
Thank you.
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Yes the original and both of the replacement bracelets had the same marks, I can't take pictures as the watch is in Geneva being worked on.
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Old 15 October 2019, 03:23 AM   #88
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Those links have pins and I suspect the caps to enclose them were not properly finished so they would not show.
I am not an expert, I have carefully studied the 5711 steel bracelet very carefully for good reason and this is what I think causes the circles. The 5711 bracelets do not have end caps to hide the pins and each link has at least 1 fixed pin. The fixed pins go straight though the link and are usually welded in place to hold it and fill any gaps to fit perfectly, they are then ground and finished to blend in (as shown in the video).

I think Patek rely on a high precision pressure fit rather than welding at least for the steel Nautilus. All the bracelets I have seen have slight pitting to the circles, which would have been filled if it was welded. It’s only visible with a good loupe but it’s there.

The pitting is only microns deep after the bracelet is finished, but it stands out from the brushed finish. It would require removal of a lot of material to remove the pitting from all the links making some links narrower than others or a lot of reject links. Different sized links would look odd as the edge of the bracelet will not be straight. I think Patek resolve this by assembling the links first, then finishing each side as a whole to keep a straight edge. On some links with excessive pitting they cannot remove all the pitting as the bracelets would become too narrow and out of spec. Once the bracelet is assembled and has been finished it would not be possible to remove any heavily pitting links, so it’s passed by QC.
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Old 15 October 2019, 08:38 PM   #89
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I think I'll just be happy and move on. Strange how my other nautilus bracelet is perfect with no rings on any of the links.

"Misery loves company." With so many claiming to have this same issue, I'm beginning to think it's okay...

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I think I'll just be happy and move on. Strange how my other nautilus bracelet is perfect with no rings on any of the links.

"Misery loves company." With so many claiming to have this same issue, I'm beginning to think it's okay...

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