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forcinitijp · 2 July 2019, 05:17 AM

Last Thursday I sold a Tag heuer watch for ebay, I shipped it for USPS on Friday, insured and the mail label I bought it for Ebay, the watch was in its vacuum packed box, with a sleeve on the vacuum bag and inside a very well closed box ... today the seller contacts me after 2 hours of having received it and he tells me that the clock is not sending me the pictures of the box ... but I can not assure with the photos well what happened. .. I already made the claim in USPS ... any recommendation to do in Ebay ... or I already give it for lost?

Thanks for yours recommendations!

Knappo 1307 · 2 July 2019, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by forcinitijp

Last Thursday I sold a Tag heuer watch for ebay, I shipped it for USPS on Friday, insured and the mail label I bought it for Ebay, the watch was in its vacuum packed box, with a sleeve on the vacuum bag and inside a very well closed box ... today the seller contacts me after 2 hours of having received it and he tells me that the clock is not sending me the pictures of the box ... but I can not assure with the photos well what happened. .. I already made the claim in USPS ... any recommendation to do in Ebay ... or I already give it for lost?

Thanks for yours recommendations!

What does this mean??

forcinitijp · 2 July 2019, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

What does this mean??

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Apparently USPS stole a watch that I sold by ebay ... there is something that can be done from ebay in addition to the insurance claim in USPS or I sit in a chair and let me fornicate

in italiano, potrebbe essere capito meglio ...

ashbaug2 · 2 July 2019, 05:39 AM

Ebay is risky, especially for the seller, where ebay's/PayPal's policies are pointedly designed to protect the buyer and sometimes screw the seller. If it went through PayPal, you can open a claim with them, same with eBay, but be prepared to have eBay pull the funds immediately and return them to the buyer. I've read of this multiple times here on this forum, which is why I have chosen not to do big transactions on that site anymore.

Do you have pictures or video or you putting it into the box and sealing it? Anything you have may help with your case when you are contacted by eBay/PP.

I don't believe the timeline matters much, whether the buyer had it for 2 hours or 2 minutes is irrelevant, as a watch can be pocketed and pictures taken in minutes just as likely as someone can receive a package and not be able to get around to opening it for a couple of hours.

Good luck resolving the issue, but we rarely see these resolved for both parties...

ashbaug2 · 2 July 2019, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by forcinitijp

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Apparently USPS stole a watch that I sold by ebay ... there is something that can be done from ebay in addition to the insurance claim in USPS or I sit in a chair and let me fornicate

in italiano, potrebbe essere capito meglio ...

Interesting translation here, but I believe Knappo_1307 was simply confused by your broken English. It honestly took me a few reads to fully get it, as well.

File a claim with eBay and PayPal. That is your first step.

forcinitijp · 2 July 2019, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ashbaug2

Ebay is risky, especially for the seller, where ebay's/PayPal's policies are pointedly designed to protect the buyer and sometimes screw the seller. If it went through PayPal, you can open a claim with them, same with eBay, but be prepared to have eBay pull the funds immediately and return them to the buyer. I've read of this multiple times here on this forum, which is why I have chosen not to do big transactions on that site anymore.

Do you have pictures or video or you putting it into the box and sealing it? Anything you have may help with your case when you are contacted by eBay/PP.

I don't believe the timeline matters much, whether the buyer had it for 2 hours or 2 minutes is irrelevant, as a watch can be pocketed and pictures taken in minutes just as likely as someone can receive a package and not be able to get around to opening it for a couple of hours.

Good luck resolving the issue, but we rarely see these resolved for both parties...

Thanks! I use google translator ....

Knappo 1307 · 2 July 2019, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ashbaug2

Interesting translation here, but I believe Knappo_1307 was simply confused by your broken English. It honestly took me a few reads to fully get it, as well.

File a claim with eBay and PayPal. That is your first step.

Thanks, wasn't quite getting the lingo....

Knappo 1307 · 2 July 2019, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by forcinitijp

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Apparently USPS stole a watch that I sold by ebay ... there is something that can be done from ebay in addition to the insurance claim in USPS or I sit in a chair and let me fornicate

in italiano, potrebbe essere capito meglio ...

for·ni·cate
/ˈfôrnəˌkāt/
verbFORMAL•HUMOROUS
(of two people not married to each other) have sexual intercourse.

Sounds better than dealing with eBay or USPS..

forcinitijp · 2 July 2019, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

for·ni·cate
/ˈfôrnəˌkāt/
verbFORMAL•HUMOROUS
(of two people not married to each other) have sexual intercourse.

Sounds better than dealing with eBay or USPS..

Yes, they are a headache, because it's not just the money ... it's the time to put the claims on USPS and Ebay ... the time lost wrapping and carrying the package ... a total nuisance.

southtexas · 2 July 2019, 09:11 AM

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you are probably fornicated. Your buyer received a box in the mail. He claims it was empty. USPS delivered the box, they will probably claim their job is done with no liability. Unless the buyer is a known hacked account, eBay will most likely side with the buyer and claim you sent an empty box.

Sorry.

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CorradoBrit · 2 July 2019, 09:32 AM

There is Ebay and PP Seller protection. How useful that is will probably be debated. OP can you let us know more about the buyer. Maybe link the Ebay listing. Was the persons account new with low feedback? If older account anything suspicious in the f/b history, like big gaps in feedback or loads of low value purchases.
You need to get as much supporting evidence to support your claim that you have been scammed.

forcinitijp · 2 July 2019, 10:17 AM

Yes, I know ... and that's why my disappointment ... the buyer seems to be a correct and honest person ... so what it seems is that the package has been manipulated by usps ... it will be a matter of seeing what it says the insurance and that the USPS checks the weight of the package at the time of delivery. thanks guys for the comments and for understanding my terrible google translations

CorradoBrit · 2 July 2019, 10:37 AM

Its a Federal Offense to mess with the US Mail. I find it hard to believe it was an inside job.
Did you ship from the USA? What indications did the package have that it might contain something of value inside? Did the buyer sign for it? Any evidence the package had been opened?

CorradoBrit · 2 July 2019, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by forcinitijp

... the buyer seems to be a correct and honest person \

based on what?

forcinitijp · 2 July 2019, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

based on what?

I sent it from Delaware to Texas, the person who received it told me that it was signed by an employee, I have the proof of the signature, and the photos that he sent me with the package supposedly forced and resealed, the name and surname of the buyer it's correct, I contacted by linkedin, the buyer accepted my request, and the address is from his office Farrow a logistics company in texas ... it seems all normal

CorradoBrit · 2 July 2019, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by forcinitijp

it was signed by an employee,

That could be the problem. In all the years/decades I've shipped USPS, package has NEVER been opened and resealed. Packages have been delivered to the wrong address but never tampered with.

forcinitijp · 2 July 2019, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

That could be the problem. In all the years/decades I've shipped USPS, package has NEVER been opened and resealed. Packages have been delivered to the wrong address but never tampered with.

that's what I think, but nothing makes me doubt the buyer ... it's a big mess ... I hope the insurance investigates a little more thoroughly

Gtecko · 3 July 2019, 11:42 PM

how are you going to prove anything here?

Aquaholic_user · 3 July 2019, 11:59 PM

Usually when shipping anything I take a video of the entire packaging process. Not sure how much it will help if the item gets lost, but its something I can send in on my part. I just recently sold 2 watches on Ebay like this morning. I'm hoping nothing like this happens. In the decades of buying/selling goods I have never had a problem thankfully. Well see how it goes. I hope your issues get resolved and you get some kind of refund.

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Mosco · 4 July 2019, 02:31 AM

Juan, are you certain the buyer isn't filing a frivolous claim? Meaning, is it possible that s/he took the watch and claimed there was nothing in the package?

forcinitijp · 4 July 2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

That could be the problem. In all the years/decades I've shipped USPS, package has NEVER been opened and resealed. Packages have been delivered to the wrong address but never tampered with.

The Buyer of Ebay wrote to me, after I told him that I was going to file a complaint with the FBI and they were going to open a federal investigation ... people are very funny ...

Juan Pablo wanted to dial you on the phone to ask for an apology in person and the clock went out. The boy from the warehouse wanted to play a joke with me (not a good joke) until I told them there was going to be an investigation and FEDERAL and it came out that he had taken it out and re-packed it. I already took care of him and sent him home for a week without pay because this is not a joke I leave my number in case you want to mark me and I ask you again to apologize.

CorradoBrit · 4 July 2019, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by forcinitijp

The Buyer of Ebay wrote to me, after I told him that I was going to file a complaint with the FBI and they were going to open a federal investigation ... people are very funny ...

Juan Pablo wanted to dial you on the phone to ask for an apology in person and the clock went out. The boy from the warehouse wanted to play a joke with me (not a good joke) until I told them there was going to be an investigation and FEDERAL and it came out that he had taken it out and re-packed it. I already took care of him and sent him home for a week without pay because this is not a joke I leave my number in case you want to mark me and I ask you again to apologize.

Crazy. Maybe that buyer needs to change his delivery address in future. Alls well that ends well.

forcinitijp · 4 July 2019, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Crazy. Maybe that buyer needs to change his delivery address in future. Alls well that ends well.

Yes, the funny thing is that the joke lasted 3 days and he told me that he heard the mail person when he arrived and the package was received by his secretary

people sometimes for a few dollars do not have moral

CorradoBrit · 4 July 2019, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by forcinitijp

Yes, the funny thing is that the joke lasted 3 days and he told me that he heard the mail person when he arrived and the package was received by his secretary

people sometimes for a few dollars do not have moral

So the buyer was continuing with the pretense even after getting the watch from the 'joker'. And he only came clean when you mentioned the Federal Investigation?

MoosicPa · 4 July 2019, 11:20 AM

The buyer is a con-man! You should expose him here so we all know to avoid. He keeps changing his story, first the secretary got the package, then some boy from the warehouse! He tried to scam you, keep the watch and claim it was stolen to get money back. He's a third rate con.

CorradoBrit · 4 July 2019, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MoosicPa

The buyer is a con-man! You should expose him here so we all know to avoid. He keeps changing his story, first the secretary got the package, then some boy from the warehouse! He tried to scam you, keep the watch and claim it was stolen to get money back. He's a third rate con.

Agreed completely. This must be reported to Ebay immediately so he can't try and pull this stunt on another unsuspecting seller.

Andad · 4 July 2019, 11:28 AM

The buyers story is full of big holes.

Where this goes from here is up to you Juan.

forcinitijp · 4 July 2019, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MoosicPa

The buyer is a con-man! You should expose him here so we all know to avoid. He keeps changing his story, first the secretary got the package, then some boy from the warehouse! He tried to scam you, keep the watch and claim it was stolen to get money back. He's a third rate con.

Whoever wants their identity, I pass it privately, I can not expose anyone publicly

forcinitijp · 4 July 2019, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

The buyers story is full of big holes.

Where this goes from here is up to you Juan.

Although I know the truth, I will give you the benefit of the doubt ... just because I do not want to waste more time

forcinitijp · 4 July 2019, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Agreed completely. This must be reported to Ebay immediately so he can't try and pull this stunt on another unsuspecting seller.

yes, And I will do it

2 July 2019, 05:17 AM	#1
forcinitijp 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Real Name: Juan Location: Delaware Watch: 14060M/214270 Posts: 234	Some recommendation for missing watch sold on Ebay Last Thursday I sold a Tag heuer watch for ebay, I shipped it for USPS on Friday, insured and the mail label I bought it for Ebay, the watch was in its vacuum packed box, with a sleeve on the vacuum bag and inside a very well closed box ... today the seller contacts me after 2 hours of having received it and he tells me that the clock is not sending me the pictures of the box ... but I can not assure with the photos well what happened. .. I already made the claim in USPS ... any recommendation to do in Ebay ... or I already give it for lost? Thanks for yours recommendations!

2 July 2019, 09:11 AM	#10
southtexas 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,683	I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you are probably fornicated. Your buyer received a box in the mail. He claims it was empty. USPS delivered the box, they will probably claim their job is done with no liability. Unless the buyer is a known hacked account, eBay will most likely side with the buyer and claim you sent an empty box. Sorry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

4 July 2019, 02:31 AM	#20
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Juan, are you certain the buyer isn't filing a frivolous claim? Meaning, is it possible that s/he took the watch and claimed there was nothing in the package? __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

4 July 2019, 11:28 AM	#27
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,797	The buyers story is full of big holes. Where this goes from here is up to you Juan. __________________ E

2 July 2019, 05:39 AM	#4
ashbaug2 Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Jon Location: Reno, NV Watch: 126710 BLRO Posts: 1,028	Ebay is risky, especially for the seller, where ebay's/PayPal's policies are pointedly designed to protect the buyer and sometimes screw the seller. If it went through PayPal, you can open a claim with them, same with eBay, but be prepared to have eBay pull the funds immediately and return them to the buyer. I've read of this multiple times here on this forum, which is why I have chosen not to do big transactions on that site anymore. Do you have pictures or video or you putting it into the box and sealing it? Anything you have may help with your case when you are contacted by eBay/PP. I don't believe the timeline matters much, whether the buyer had it for 2 hours or 2 minutes is irrelevant, as a watch can be pocketed and pictures taken in minutes just as likely as someone can receive a package and not be able to get around to opening it for a couple of hours. Good luck resolving the issue, but we rarely see these resolved for both parties...

2 July 2019, 09:32 AM	#11
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	There is Ebay and PP Seller protection. How useful that is will probably be debated. OP can you let us know more about the buyer. Maybe link the Ebay listing. Was the persons account new with low feedback? If older account anything suspicious in the f/b history, like big gaps in feedback or loads of low value purchases. You need to get as much supporting evidence to support your claim that you have been scammed.

2 July 2019, 10:17 AM	#12
forcinitijp 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Real Name: Juan Location: Delaware Watch: 14060M/214270 Posts: 234	Yes, I know ... and that's why my disappointment ... the buyer seems to be a correct and honest person ... so what it seems is that the package has been manipulated by usps ... it will be a matter of seeing what it says the insurance and that the USPS checks the weight of the package at the time of delivery. thanks guys for the comments and for understanding my terrible google translations

2 July 2019, 10:37 AM	#13
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	Its a Federal Offense to mess with the US Mail. I find it hard to believe it was an inside job. Did you ship from the USA? What indications did the package have that it might contain something of value inside? Did the buyer sign for it? Any evidence the package had been opened?

3 July 2019, 11:42 PM	#18
Gtecko "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Halifax Posts: 518	how are you going to prove anything here?

3 July 2019, 11:59 PM	#19
Aquaholic_user "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Real Name: Rich Location: US Posts: 487	Usually when shipping anything I take a video of the entire packaging process. Not sure how much it will help if the item gets lost, but its something I can send in on my part. I just recently sold 2 watches on Ebay like this morning. I'm hoping nothing like this happens. In the decades of buying/selling goods I have never had a problem thankfully. Well see how it goes. I hope your issues get resolved and you get some kind of refund. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

4 July 2019, 11:20 AM	#25
MoosicPa "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Don Location: Moosic PA Watch: King Midas & Subma Posts: 1,157	The buyer is a con-man! You should expose him here so we all know to avoid. He keeps changing his story, first the secretary got the package, then some boy from the warehouse! He tried to scam you, keep the watch and claim it was stolen to get money back. He's a third rate con.

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