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Old 21 July 2018, 06:01 AM   #91
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Padi thanks for the history lesson on Tudor. still in comparison to the Submariner humble beginnings to what we have today there is no Tudor that even comes close. For me what has that watch in the past achieved, why was it developed is fascinating / important.
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Old 21 July 2018, 10:29 AM   #92
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Padi thanks for the history lesson on Tudor. still in comparison to the Submariner humble beginnings to what we have today there is no Tudor that even comes close. For me what has that watch in the past achieved, why was it developed is fascinating / important.


I would suggest that the new BB58 is closer to the pre-maxi Submariner than the current models. IMO


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Old 21 July 2018, 10:42 AM   #93
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With Tudor I always have this bad "I wish I could buy a Rolex but can't afford it taste"... no offense
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Thank you Peter for adding real value to the forum! Great read
Peter, ALWAYS enjoy your posts. Thank you for taking the time to write this up!
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Old 21 July 2018, 11:13 AM   #95
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With Tudor I always have this bad "I wish I could buy a Rolex but can't afford it taste"... no offense


I suppose I can understand this view of what you really want is a Rolex but there are many who choose Tudor who can afford Rolex or who already have one. I have a Rolex and just picked up a 58 because Rolex have nothing to match it in their current collection.


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Old 21 July 2018, 12:48 PM   #96
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Both nave a place in the market today. I bought two Black Bay’s preowned and had them for 6-8 months. Was abke to sell them for what I had paid for them. Recently bought the Black Bay Dark preowned and love it. The BB keep time as well as any Rolex in my collection.
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Old 21 July 2018, 01:06 PM   #97
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With Tudor I always have this bad "I wish I could buy a Rolex but can't afford it taste"... no offense
Don’t like the taste, spit it out. Why the instant jump to stereotypes? No offense.
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Old 21 July 2018, 01:13 PM   #98
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With Tudor I always have this bad "I wish I could buy a Rolex but can't afford it taste"... no offense
Plenty would be offended by your distasteful and uneducated comment. I'll leave it at that.
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Old 21 July 2018, 01:23 PM   #99
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In the porsche forum, we dont talk much about Audi’s

Dont take it the wrong way

It is just the way it is
Despite that fact, you have no choice but to acknowledge VW, no? Probably a more apt analogy. Some brands are just linked, whether fans of either like it or not.

All of that considered, I too prefer the same evolution of the VW Beetle as you do. 😉
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Old 21 July 2018, 01:26 PM   #100
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With Tudor I always have this bad "I wish I could buy a Rolex but can't afford it taste"... no offense


Sorry, I can’t afford Rolex, LOL


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Old 21 July 2018, 01:59 PM   #101
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There was a poll a few weeks ago asking the Tudor owners if they also owned a Rolex. The majority did, and in many cases many Rolex's along with other nice pieces. That kind of flies in the face of "can't afford a Rolex" attitude that some can't help but throwing into these Tudor v Rolex threads.

I can't help but picture the guy posting that kind of stuff as being extremely proud of his BLNR. Sadly he probably bought it on a credit card that he's making minimum payments on, while living with his parents and leasing a low-spec 3-series while living paycheck to paycheck. But he wouldn't be caught dead with a Tudor on his wrist!
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Old 21 July 2018, 02:06 PM   #102
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Rolex vs. Tudor.
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Old 21 July 2018, 02:16 PM   #103
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I need to get rid of this thing before someone sees me wearing it...

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Old 21 July 2018, 03:02 PM   #104
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I need to get rid of this thing before someone sees me wearing it...

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Old 21 July 2018, 03:50 PM   #105
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Started with Rolex(GMT Master II & Milgauss) and ended up with Tudor Black Bay in addition. I enjoy the Tudor just as much as Rolex.

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Old 21 July 2018, 06:38 PM   #106
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the pelagos is a better tool watch than a rolex. a 70 hour power reserve is great. lume is fantastic and rolex doesnt make a lumed bezel (yet).

the black bay s&g is something different than a tt subc and i already have a subc. but i wanted some subtle bling and could not yet afford my grail 116618lb.

now, bring on the haters.


‘Better tool watch’ why? A Casio is a better tool watch for sure but a Tudor. I would say they are the same.

Titanium scratches easy.

Price aside Rolex is better in every way.

Tudor is only priced better but i pay extra because I want a Rolex and the history that goes with it.
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Old 21 July 2018, 06:39 PM   #107
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Except Tudor is made by Rolex!!!


That is not a comparison it is a fact. Just like Rolex are better in every way. :)
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Old 21 July 2018, 06:42 PM   #108
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I bought the Tudor GMT as I found it to be great value for the money and loved the aesthetic of the watch.


Quite possibly the best post on this thread.

I have both and love them equally. Some of the posts here are exactly the reasons some don’t buy Rolex.


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Old 21 July 2018, 07:01 PM   #109
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I must assume you can read as it clearly states Rolex Forums > Rolex & Tudor Watch Topics, unless you only look through Rolex blinkered glasses.

I don't even understand this thread, but that pretty much sums it up. Getting schooled by a Padi history lesson is just icing on the cake.
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Old 21 July 2018, 07:01 PM   #110
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That is not a comparison it is a fact. Just like Rolex are better in every way. :)
So the fact that Tudor pricing and availability are better is wrong? Or is your statement false and not the fact that you claim?
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Old 21 July 2018, 07:35 PM   #111
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‘Better tool watch’ why? A Casio is a better tool watch for sure but a Tudor. I would say they are the same.

Titanium scratches easy.

Price aside Rolex is better in every way.

Tudor is only priced better but i pay extra because I want a Rolex and the history that goes with it.
Fact Tudor has far more history than Rolex, and Rolex was not even available in the USA until mid 1940s.Afraid many guys today only look through Rolex blinkered glasses myself over the past 50 plus years of being interested in mechanical watch.Have over those years learned to appreciate all brands from the so called low end to the so called high end.And how do you define better is it the high price or is it just the name on the dial.As today most movements are made the the same basic material and can assure you build wise Tudor are equal to Rolex.Agree Titanium can scratch and so can the 904L SS that Rolex uses now called oyster-steel.Fact 904L SS will show and scratch more easy than the watch industry norm 316L.But with today's highly pampered watches what the material its made with does not matter that much.
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Old 21 July 2018, 07:46 PM   #112
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That is not a comparison it is a fact. Just like Rolex are better in every way. :)
You really have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 21 July 2018, 08:06 PM   #113
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‘Better tool watch’ why? A Casio is a better tool watch for sure but a Tudor. I would say they are the same.

Titanium scratches easy.

Price aside Rolex is better in every way.

Tudor is only priced better but i pay extra because I want a Rolex and the history that goes with it.


Only the latest Rolex movements are better/equal to the MT movements. This has been verified across a range of forums. Titanium does scratch easier but it is also easier to remove scratches from titanium. Added to this 904L scratches easier than 316L. Tool watches usually refer to the aesthetic of the watch and many reviews and forum members have also verified this. Your personal opinions are of course your own.


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You really have no idea what you are talking about.
Afraid Adam although we do try to educate them some will never listen to facts.During the Rolex/Tudor early period many different types of watches were made, and Rolex did not have complete control over their movement factory, they were only a minority shareholder. The full name of the company tells the story "Aegler, Société Anonyme,Horologies D Excellence Fabrique des Montres Rolex & Gruen Guild A.," this means, in translation, Aegler incorporated, manufacturer of Rolex & Gruen Guild A Watches. At this time ownership of the factory was split between three parties, Herman Aegler (movements), (Hans Wilsdorf of Rolex) and the Gruen brothers, Frederick Gruen and George Gruen.Now Aegler manufactured movements for both companies, who then sold the completed watches in their respective territories; Wilsdorf of Rolex sold Rolex &Tudor throughout Europe, Asia and the British Empire; whilst the Gruen brothers sold in the US only. This arrangement worked well until Rolex acquired the patent for the the Oyster case and twinlock screw down crown; now they had something new and special which they wished to sell all over the world, not just in their limited territory. However the three way partnership prohibited Rolex from selling their products with Aegler movement in the Gruen brothers' territory (and vice-versa). So Hans of Rolex being a very clever and shrewd man, took a sideways move and fitted their new Oyster cases with a movement from FHF (Fontmelon)factory just down the road from Gruen and then tried to find a US distributor. They came across the firm of Abercrombie and Fitch,this was then a store specialising in sportsman's' equipment; whether you wanted to go elephant shooting in Africa, fishing for salmon or trout in Scotland, Abercrombie and Fitch was the place you went for all your equipment.

Everything from fishing rods to double barrelled shotguns could be found under their roof. As the sportsman's store they seemed the ideal place to sell the first oyster watches, which were already building a reputation as the sportsman's watch. It may have seemed the ideal place but it did not work out that way, firstly because Rolex sold the cheaper down-market version of their watches in a high end store, and also because Abercrombie & Fitch did not advertise the watch sufficiently. These Abercrombie & Fitch watches are probably the rarest of all the cushion oysters, in all my life I have only ever seen one; it was signed "Abercrombie and Fitch (Seafarer) on the dial and the case and movement were signed Oyster Watch Company.The case was quite badly pitted because then they were made from a base metal, a chromed zinc material that did not last very long,a bit like the relationship between Rolex and Abercrombie & Fitch.Now later they went on to become the USA distributor for The Swiss Heuer watches, probably more of a sportsman's watch to speak of, being mainly chronograph watches.

After a couple of years in the desert Rolex decided to give the US market another try. This was after they had been approached by Zell Brothers, a jewellery store chain in the Pacific North West of the USA, headquartered in Seattle. Zell had seen the great success with Tudor & Rolex in Canada, and in Vancouver in particular (Seattle and Vancouver are only about 150km apart). They asked to be made the exclusive importer for Rolex as they already were selling Tudor in the Pacific Northwest, and Rolex was eager to get a USA foot hold accepted their proposal. The strange thing is that, despite the Canadian success either Zell or Rolex decided not to use the famed now "Oyster" name but substituted the name Turtle Timer, (IMHO undoubtedly Zell) Once again these were non-Aegler (non-Rolex) movements, so as not to disturb the three way relationship with Gruen. Zell were much more successful than Abercrombie/Fitch had been, but can hardly be described as having made a major market breakthrough. I have seen around 5 or 6 pictures of these watches and because they were made when Rolex was using real stainless steel the cases looked to have lasted much better than the A&F ones ever did. But Zells had two major problems as far as Rolex were concerned; firstly they were a regional not national chain and their insistence on using their own Turtle Timer name and not Oyster meant that Rolex would never reap the benefit of any of the new oyster case success.Now in these early days of Rolex only about 1 in 5 had the name Rolex on the Dial,the rest were blank dials when they left the factory.But after the arrival of the oyster case most of the oyster cased ones did have the name Rolex on the dial,but still only a few companies were still allowed,to put there names on the dial like Goldsmiths,Asprey, Bucherer plus a few more.Tiffany were the final store retailers name to ever to be seen on a Rolex dial, and now any genuine Tiffany named Rolex can bring very high prices indeed with all the correct providence



Now most of these problems were solved when Rolex gained the right to enter the US market themselves when the Gruen brothers left the board of Aegler in mid 30s selling their shares to the two remaining parties; their place on the board of the company was taken by Emil Borer who really invented the oyster case,and who was Herman Aegler's brother in law, the technical director of Rolex, and much more significantly the man who supposedly invented the Perpetual movement for the company. But it was John Harwood from the Isle of Man UK he invented the first auto wrist watch and Rolex acquired the patent when he went bust.Now this new movement was the first one from Aegler (Rolex), that was not made available to Gruen, and so gave Rolex a unique advantage when they were able to take advantage of their new found ability to enter the US market; which they did just as the US entered WW11, around 1942.

And now the only current company for whom Rolex will "co-brand" a watch is COMEX; an acronym made up of the letters from the company's full name COmpagnie Maritime d'EXpertise. COMEX as everyone now knows are the world's leaders in the provision of diving services to exploration companies all over the globe. It was in November 1967 that A. Zilbach, a Rolex technician who had worked in close collaboration with COMEX received the Swiss patent number 492,246 for a helium escape valve,shared with Doxa to rush it though. This was the result of experiments carried out with early 5513 Submariners which had been fitted with prototypes of this escape valve.These watches were used by COMEX divers for over 2 years without any problems and so the decision was made to produce a standard watch with this feature; it was, of course, the SD. The largest bulk purchaser of these watches was and is COMEX; every diver who works for the company is issued with one and to prevent the watches from being "misplaced" Rolex print the name of the company on the dial of every watch. COMEX themselves also engrave the rear of the watch with their name and a unique serial number. These watches now have become incredibly collectible because they are the ONLY Rolex watch still being produced with another name on the dial.It is somewhat ironic that after almost 90 years of some different retailers' names on some Rolex dials. The only one left is a company who do did not ever sell watches,and that's Comex.
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Old 21 July 2018, 09:53 PM   #118
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This thread is only worth it because you guys got Padi riled up and has decided to drop science.
I have to admit, I just learned a whole mess of stuff.
Thanks Peter, for taking the time to share this with us.
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The information given byPadi56's is so much more interesting than posts of uncultured people.

I recently wanted a chrono and could have bought a Daytona (evidence is that I more recently bought a 16618), but preferred a Tudor 79270 because of the date.
It could have been a 79170 as well.

By the way, esthetically, I prefer a pre-daytona over a daytona. But that is a different story. Nothing to do with "why do some opt for Tudor over a Rolex?".
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