5522A Fails

[dmash]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

even pilots that are fairly close, once you handle them there is no comparison.


using that logic no one needs to buy patek at all, Frederique Constant makes many, many similar looking watches.

I was honestly poking fun, at him even making the comparison to begin with. Don’t get me wrong, I think IWC is a stellar brand, but the quality and attention to detail do not compare to Patek. In a totally different league.

Also, being halfway serious on a ‘different’ 5522 existing.....it doesn’t. It’s weird, a basic time only, without onion crown, dark blue dial.....can’t find it.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by dmash

I was honestly poking fun, at him even making the comparison to begin with. Don’t get me wrong, I think IWC is a stellar brand, but the quality and attention to detail do not compare to Patek. In a totally different league.

Also, being halfway serious on a ‘different’ 5522 existing.....it doesn’t. It’s weird, a basic time only, without onion crown, dark blue dial.....can’t find it.

i was just pointing out the general "it looks like a (insert brand here) watch"... not directed to you.

Its not unique to the pilot, but no one really says a calatrava looks just like a Frederique Constant as a reason why they dont like it. People dont have to like anything and that is good that there is variety, its just a illogical to use a reason that also applies to many other Pateks.

I love IWC and wish the BP was smaller than 46mm. I got rid of it because of the size but it is a fabulous watch.

[Bro Watch]

If the 5522a is worth retail in a couple of years I will be surprised. Don't get me wrong it is a nice watch and I would be happy to own one but not at the current market price.

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[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by Bro Watch

If the 5522a is worth retail in a couple of years I will be surprised. Don't get me wrong it is a nice watch and I would be happy to own one but not at the current market price.

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Are you saying it will go for less than ~$21.5k MSRP?

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

Are you saying it will go for less than ~$21.5k MSRP?

IMO 30k is probably the floor. Its still a patek, its still a LE, and its still in SS. Below retail though, i would be shocked.

[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

IMO 30k is probably the floor. Its still a patek, its still a LE, and its still in SS. Below retail though, i would be shocked.

I'm no expert in PP, but it does seem to me that it would always be desirable for the reasons you mention. I'd feel comfortable buying one for retail (as if....), wearing the heck out of it, and not ever thinking I'd lose money on it.

Of course that's different from buying one for $40-$50k.

[Jay (Eire)]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

over retail is one thing, but the fact that i genuinely like the pilots and objectively they are very nice watches is also true.

I dislike this idea that Patek or any brand must make watches that appeal to everyone. Not saying you specifically, just in general.

Liking a Patek pilot does not mean you are buying into any hype. Its actually the opposite for me. I like it more because its a poke in the eye to establishment Patek fans who push their ideas of what a Patek is supposed to be onto me. Its supposed to divide opinions and that is appealing as much as the watch itself is.

The 5522 got a bit carried away, but its still a nice watch and the hype dying down doesnt make it any less of a nice watch.

I agree, no brand can please everyone and nor should they. Thankfully we have many brands to chose from in order to build a collection and I have yet to see any brand (large or small) where I find every reference appealing.

I also agree that in the specific case of the Pilot liking it does not mean you buy into the hype. However I think there a price beyond which one is merely liking it and one is in addition to liking it also buying into the hype (excluded in this are those fortunate enough to have the means not to care). I would have to guess that most people buying in over retail do at some point justify that decision based on the hype (and the expected resale value that hype brings).

At that point anything that threatens that hype, and the value therefore of ones watch, should be fought vigorously.

Fair Disclosure: Personally I like the Pilot Travel Time, and I was excited to see the "ladies" Pilot Travel Time in the metal at the weekend as the OG was (is) much too large for my wrists (for a watch of that price).



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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Jay (Eire)

I agree, no brand can please everyone and nor should they. Thankfully we have many brands to chose from in order to build a collection and I have yet to see any brand (large or small) where I find every reference appealing.

I also agree that in the specific case of the Pilot liking it does not mean you buy into the hype. However I think there a price beyond which one is merely liking it and one is in addition to liking it also buying into the hype (excluded in this are those fortunate enough to have the means not to care). I would have to guess that most people buying in over retail do at some point justify that decision based on the hype (and the expected resale value that hype brings).

At that point anything that threatens that hype, and the value therefore of ones watch, should be fought vigorously.

Fair Disclosure: Personally I like the Pilot Travel Time, and I was excited to see the "ladies" Pilot Travel Time in the metal at the weekend as the OG was (is) much too large for my wrists (for a watch of that price).



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Yeah, im just saying i really dont like when a "premium" becomes less and then the watch is then viewed as some kind of flop. Like there is an expectation that these are investments. Its a slippery slope if thats the expectation as the premium then determines what watch is worth buying or not buying. I do not think the 5522 is worth much above retail and certainly not 50k. If its 25k its still less of a flop than 99% of all watches made.

I like it either way, just less than the 5524.

[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

I like it either way, just less than the 5524.

Everything about the 5524 seems better except the production numbers.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

Everything about the 5524 seems better except the production numbers.

if you like the left side pushers it is... which i do. Its quirky.

[AK797]

I don't think any of these hyped watches will really fall much in value, let alone back to retail as some stockmarket types keep saying it will, it's a completely different market. I would actually now say that even a crash or economic downtown will not make a huge difference and certainly not quickly, what would need to crash is Social Media and that will never happen.

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by AK797

I don't think any of these hyped watches will really fall much in value, let alone back to retail as some stockmarket types keep saying it will, it's a completely different market.

Agree with this sentiment, it's not like these watches are going to flood back on the market if the economy tanks. Sure a few will show up but these are on the wrists and in the safes of collectors that can weather the minor ups and downs of the general economy. I'm biased though and think the 5522 is worth a lot more than retail.

[toucan]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

even pilots that are fairly close, once you handle them there is no comparison.


Using that logic no one needs to buy Patek at all, Frederique Constant makes many, many similar looking watches so why pay more for Patek. The IWC, Zenith argument is selective justification and its the most common critique of the Patek pilots since they were first released.

I disagree with this completely.

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by dmash

Can you point me to where IWC produces a no date, time only pilot at 42mm? Or where Zenith produce this without a huge onion crown? Thanks

I can point you to pilots watches made by both brands that I find more aesthetically pleasing, but that’s a matter of taste. Obviously, the limited run is nice, but plenty of limited editions have spiked then fallen. I’d be shocked if this watch sticks above 30k down the road, but I’m hoping it does for those who own it!

[andyol1966]

I was in London today and there was a 5522 in the window in the Burlington arcade. I asked them what they want for it,,,£55k was the response!!

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by andyol1966

I was in London today and there was a 5522 in the window in the Burlington arcade. I asked them what they want for it,,,£55k was the response!!

well for that you could have nearly bought two at the auction, provided they had two

[dmash]

Originally Posted by andyol1966

I was in London today and there was a 5522 in the window in the Burlington arcade. I asked them what they want for it,,,£55k was the response!!

Hahahaha wow! And that’s POUNDS!

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by dmash

Hahahaha wow! And that’s POUNDS!

rent is high on their 45 square foot shop

[antikythera]

in a time where watches have to be almost compulsively more complicated, skeletonised, bigger, bolder, etc the 5522a is balm for the soul. it is surprising how refreshing simplicity can be. it has all what a holy grail watch needs and the potential to be one. perfect size, perfect proporsions, steel case, timeless minimalist design, its clean, understatement, no date, no unnecessary and useless funktions, it is an alrounder etc. etc.. to me the best watch in 2018 and one of my favorite watches ever.
and since it is often compared to the 5524, imo the 5522a is superior in every way. in the end its all a matter of taste and imo in compare the 5524 is just a wannabe. that unproportional big date display, those 2 big incongruous placed push buttons etc.. imo it is just ugly and pretentious in compare. the 5522a has class and character. its a gentlemens watch.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by antikythera

in a time where watches have to be almost compulsively more complicated, skeletonised, bigger, bolder, etc the 5522a is balm for the soul. it is surprising how refreshing simplicity can be. it has all what a holy grail watch needs and the potential to be one. perfect size, perfect proporsions, steel case, timeless minimalist design, its clean, no date, no unnecessary and useless funktions, it is an alrounder etc. etc.. to me the best watch in 2018 and one of my favorite watches ever.
and since it is often compared to the 5524, imo the 5522a is superior in every way. in the end its all a matter of taste and imo in compare the 5524 is just a wannabe. that unproportional big date display, those 2 big incongruous placed push buttons etc.. imo it is just ugly and pretentious in compare. the 5522a has class and character. its a gentlemens watch.

The best watch of all time?

I like it too.....but let’s step away from the koolaid, bitte.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by antikythera

in a time where watches have to be almost compulsively more complicated, skeletonised, bigger, bolder, etc the 5522a is balm for the soul. it is surprising how refreshing simplicity can be. it has all what a holy grail watch needs and the potential to be one. perfect size, perfect proporsions, steel case, timeless minimalist design, its clean, no date, no unnecessary and useless funktions, it is an alrounder etc. etc.. to me the best watch in 2018 and one of my favorite watches ever.
and since it is often compared to the 5524, imo the 5522a is superior in every way. in the end its all a matter of taste and imo in compare the 5524 is just a wannabe. that unproportional big date display, those 2 big incongruous placed push buttons etc.. imo it is just ugly and pretentious in compare. the 5522a has class and character. its a gentlemens watch.

There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true

[antikythera]

Originally Posted by dmash

The best watch of all time?

I like it too.....but let’s step away from the koolaid, bitte.

did i wrote somewhere "The best watch of all time"?!

[antikythera]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true

and the other is to have your own taste opinion and personality right? ;)

cheers

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by dmash

The best watch of all time?

I like it too.....but let’s step away from the koolaid, bitte.

For 2017, you bet!

[GB-man]

This thread is gold. My favorite thing about the 5522 is all the commotion it’s caused.

[antikythera]

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

For 2017, you bet!

lol sorry my mistake

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by GB-man

This thread is gold. My favorite thing about the 5522 is all the commotion it’s caused.

Lol yep it's coming up on a year's worth of solid entertainment. Also taken out more than a few members around here.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by antikythera

and the other is to have your own taste opinion and personality right? ;)

cheers

Funny thing is that my statement didn’t say what side I was rooting for, it can be interpreted either way. I guess you already decided for me. It’s ok , enjoy your day




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[dmash]

Who here actually even owns a 5522?

[codecow]

Originally Posted by GB-man

This thread is gold. My favorite thing about the 5522 is all the commotion it’s caused.

The 5522 and the surrounding hype is deadly serious for some. Before I go to bed every night I pray that my 5522 will rest peacefully in the safe with no disturbances.